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The end of the UK(?)

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Hello, hello

 
I see Liz has applied to join the CPTPP. No federal union dictatorship, no bus load of cash every week and free trade. Contrast this with our EU trading partners taking truckers sandwiches.
When the USA was negotiating, a sticking point was that they wanted to impose their IPR laws onto the other members and would be able to do this from US courts
 
It's very tempting for me too, as my wife's sister and her family are up in Edinburgh.

Assuming you're English and can't put on a convincing Scots accent I don't think that would be a very good idea. You might not find yourself too welcome.

I can only see the rift widening after they get their FREEDOM!!!!!! If it's a success or a failure, they'll want to give English people moonies at the border. It'll take some time before things simmer down, even amongst the more rational people.

There is a lot of resentment up there, whether justified or not, and not just amongst the hoi-polloi either.
 
Assuming you're English and can't put on a convincing Scots accent I don't think that would be a very good idea. You might not find yourself too welcome.

I can only see the rift widening after they get their FREEDOM!!!!!! If it's a success or a failure, they'll want to give English people moonies at the border. It'll take some time before things simmer down, even amongst the more rational people.

There is a lot of resentment up there, whether justified or not, and not just amongst the hoi-polloi either.
This is a familiar caricature which you’ll also see attributed to the French or other countries. It’s very self-referential: in other words anything looking like independent thought or action has to be due dislike/ disrespect for ‘us’. It’s the old tabloid headline when the subject of foreigners comes up- “why do they hate us so much?”. It belongs back in the 70s along with Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning.
 
This is a familiar caricature which you’ll also see attributed to the French or other countries. It’s very self-referential: in other words anything looking like independent thought or action has to be due dislike/ disrespect for ‘us’. It’s the old tabloid headline when the subject of foreigners comes up- “why do they hate us so much?”. It belongs back in the 70s along with Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning.
It’s guilt transference. Having spent years building up hatred and contempt for our European neighbours, much of is based on lies and distortion, the English then blame those neighbours for treating us with hating and contempt based on little more than a need to deflect from the problems our own attitudes and actions have caused.

It’s a habit we’ve gotten into now, so we’ve decided to dispense with the preliminaries and start real early and deflect blame onto all things Scottish right now
 
Hang on a minute, what hatred and contempt for our European neighbours, what lies and distortions exactly, and by whom?

That’s a sweeping statement, you need to back it up.
 
Hang on a minute, what hatred and contempt for our European neighbours, what lies and distortions exactly, and by whom?

That’s a sweeping statement, you need to back it up.

That's right, anyone picking up a flavour of the UK should really appreciate how cosmopolitan and tolerant we are.... "3M UK Workers Are Now Foreign" she screeched. How awful. I reckon they do all this because there is no audience for it, we're not like that really - yeah right. Won't be long before this is aimed at the Scots, "who do they think they are, ungrateful bastards." etc.

"The men that people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."

H. L. Mencken


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When the USA was negotiating, a sticking point was that they wanted to impose their IPR laws onto the other members and would be able to do this from US courts

Not quite, but potentially disastrous enough. The US wanted UK IP laws to be changed to be closer to US laws. This included the requirement of a grace period (a period within which an invention can be worked publicly without jeopardising patent rights - one year in the USA). This is contrary to the absolute novelty requirements of the European Patent Convention of which the UK remains a member (the EPC is not an EU body - the likes of Norway, Turkey and iceland are members and Switzerland is a founder member), and would make the UK's continued membership impossible. The Chartered Institute was so concerned that it and the UK's Industry IP body commissioned a report as to the value of EPC membership to the UK. This report came out strongly for continued membership, and Boris has said that the UK would remain in the EPC. (Of course, this was the man who said "F*** business", so one never knows).

One interesting aspect - the UK was supposed to be free of foreign courts, but is subject to the decisions of the EPO Boards of Appeal. Perhaps the Daily Express hasn't heard of that one...
 
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Hang on a minute, what hatred and contempt for our European neighbours, what lies and distortions exactly, and by whom?

That’s a sweeping statement, you need to back it up.
I'd say he's done that. So you can save wasting our time - again - with the faux affront and astonishment next time.
 
Hang on a minute, what hatred and contempt for our European neighbours, what lies and distortions exactly, and by whom?

That’s a sweeping statement, you need to back it up.

20 Years of Fake EU Headlines - The British Press has much to blame for ANTI-EU sentiments.

  • EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
  • Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
  • EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
  • Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
  • EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
  • EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
  • EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
  • Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
  • EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
  • British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
  • EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
  • EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
  • Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
  • Straight cucumbers – The Sun
  • Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
  • Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
  • Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
  • Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
  • Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
  • EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
  • Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
  • British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
  • Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
  • EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
  • EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
  • Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
  • EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
  • Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
  • 21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
  • Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
  • Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
  • Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
  • British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
  • EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
  • British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
  • British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
  • Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
  • EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
  • Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
  • EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
  • Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
  • EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
  • Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
  • EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
  • Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
  • Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
  • EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
  • Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
  • New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
  • UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
  • EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
  • English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
  • EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
  • Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
  • Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
  • Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
  • Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
  • EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
  • Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
  • Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
  • Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
  • EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
  • New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
  • EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
  • EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
  • EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
  • UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
  • EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
  • Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
  • Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
  • Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
  • Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
  • Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
  • EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
  • 2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
  • EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
  • Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
  • EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
  • British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
  • EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
  • Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
  • Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
  • “High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
  • Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
  • Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
  • EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
  • Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
  • British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
  • Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
  • Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
  • EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
  • EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun
 

20 Years of Fake EU Headlines - The British Press has much to blame for ANTI-EU sentiments.

  • EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
  • Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
  • EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
  • Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
  • EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
  • EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
  • EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
  • Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
  • EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
  • British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
  • EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
  • EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
  • Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
  • Straight cucumbers – The Sun
  • Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
  • Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
  • Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
  • Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
  • Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
  • EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
  • Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
  • British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
  • Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
  • EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
  • EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
  • Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
  • EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
  • Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
  • 21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
  • Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
  • Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
  • Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
  • British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
  • EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
  • British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
  • British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
  • Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
  • EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
  • Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
  • EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
  • Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
  • EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
  • Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
  • EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
  • Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
  • Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
  • EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
  • Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
  • New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
  • UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
  • EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
  • English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
  • EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
  • Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
  • Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
  • Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
  • Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
  • EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
  • Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
  • Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
  • Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
  • EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
  • New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
  • EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
  • EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
  • EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
  • UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
  • EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
  • Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
  • Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
  • Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
  • Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
  • Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
  • EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
  • 2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
  • EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
  • Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
  • EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
  • British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
  • EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
  • Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
  • Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
  • “High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
  • Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
  • Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
  • EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
  • Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
  • British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
  • Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
  • Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
  • EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
  • EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun

They do that because it doesn't have any effect on what people think. Nobody is taken in.
 
It's inevitable for a few reasons but one is demographics. The younger ones up here in the North seem to want a united Ireland and you can't fight demographics.

NI has never been more isolated really than it is now. Compared to pre-Brexit referendum the Jeannie is out of the bottle with the ones in Westminster. Most never knew what went on politically and now they do. So they must be saying...why are we sending so much Public money over the prop up THAT..
 
They do that because it doesn't have any effect on what people think. Nobody is taken in.

I don't often disagree with you Steve, but on this I must. I really think that 40 odd years of these head lines had a great deal to do with Brexit. Ok possibly only with the simple minded but it would appear the they were in the majority.
 


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