Bands that changed...for the worse
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Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Of course it was. Doh!
I do quite like ‘Once upon a time’ though. They went very worthy after that.
htm_1968
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The last great Cure gig I saw was on the Bloodflowers tour. They played at least five songs off Pornography at immense volume and a ton of Disintegration. Put it this way; it is a better LP than Wild Mood Swings
.Between 1982 and 1985 New Order were genuinely wonderful as a recording act and always great (even when they were crap) as a live act. I must have seen 30-odd gigs over those four years. Something changed after Low Life and by mid-1986 they were not hitting the spot live or in the studio. I don't mind Technique. The gigs I saw to support it were dialled in by everyone except Hooky though...
. Can't argue with the what followed bit much
. The early E.P.s and singles up to Leave Them All Behind were great. Then 'Twisterella' and the swift drop-off to merde.'Hyaena' is patchy as an LP while 'A Kiss in the Dreamhouse' which is a masterpiece. IMO Smith isn't qualified to carry McGeoch's guitar case and I like Fat Bob as a guitar player. John Valentine Carruthers is best not mentioned in polite company
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Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
The last great Cure gig I saw was on the Bloodflowers tour. They played at least five songs off Pornography at immense volume and a ton of Disintegration. Put it this way; it is a better LP than Wild Mood Swings
Quite. But then 'Wild Mood Swings' is not a particularly high bar. 'Pornography' - untouchable.
'Hyaena' is patchy as an LP while 'A Kiss in the Dreamhouse' which is a masterpiece. IMO Smith isn't qualified to carry McGeoch's guitar case and I like Fat Bob as a guitar player. John Valentine Carruthers is best not mentioned in polite company
Interesting. As much as I like John McGeoch (must get the Armory Show CD sometime), I felt he was going off the boil a bit for 'A Kiss in the Dreamhouse'. That doesn't stop it being a superb album (second to 'Juju' though
). As for John V-C, you don't like his guitar work on 'Candyman'? How very dare you. A Seeker in his 20s had several good evenings wrecking to that.
htm_1968
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Quite. But then 'Wild Mood Swings' is not a particularly high bar. 'Pornography' - untouchable.
Interesting. As much as I like John McGeoch (must get the Armory Show CD sometime), I felt he was going off the boil a bit for 'A Kiss in the Dreamhouse'. That doesn't stop it being a superb album (second to 'Juju' though
I would rather listen to Wish or 'The Top' than Bloodflowers. It is not that I don't like it, it just hasn't got enough going on to be a great LP. Candyman is 1986/7 IIRC by which time my Goth-ish days were well behind me. It barely registered on my radar as noisy people like Spacemen 3 began to catch my attention via Peel.
david ellwood
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Goldfrapp after felt mountain
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
I took a different route; was into Loop, Spacemen 3 (was lucky to see them at uni), Thee Hypnotics and The Telescopes via Hawkwindand and the Sisters of Mercy but then when I got back to living in East Anglia, Goth was still very much in vogue (until the mid-90s) and discovered the rest.
Tony L
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The last great Cure gig I saw was on the Bloodflowers tour. They played at least five songs off Pornography at immense volume and a ton of Disintegration. Put it this way; it is a better LP than Wild Mood Swings
I gave up on them after they ‘went pop’ after the excellent Pornography, though did more recently discover Disintegration, which is a very good album. I was very surprised by just how good they were headlining Glastonbury a couple of years ago. I was expecting awful dad-rock, but they were actually very good.
Between 1982 and 1985 New Order were genuinely wonderful as a recording act and always great (even when they were crap) as a live act. I must have seen 30-odd gigs over those four years. Something changed after Low Life and by mid-1986 they were not hitting the spot live or in the studio. I don't mind Technique. The gigs I saw to support it were dialled in by everyone except Hooky though...
I’m surprised you miss out the Ceremony/Movement/Everything’s Gone Green phase. That, Power Corruption & Lies, Blue Monday and Technique is their high watermark for me. I’m not especially bothered about the stuff in-between and the rest afterwards is very weak. They are an embarrassment now, just a hopeless old-man (and woman) band missing their key member/personality.
htm_1968
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I really didn't see New Order regularly until 1982. Personally, I don't think they ever matched the Ceremony/In A Lonely Place 12" in the Green sleeve, particularly IALP which is an absolute masterpiece. E.G.G. came close. As a live act they were at pretty much at their peak by 1984.
The last couple of occasions I saw NO they were absolutely duff, and this was with Hook playing bass. With the exception of free tickets for a couple of nights of the Manchester International Festival I've not bothered with NO. I would probably prefer to see Peter Hook and the Light, but have not bothered.
Tony L
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I saw New Order a lot very early on around Ceremony, Movement, EGG etc and through to about Blue Monday. They were always shambolic live, never a good sound, never punctual on stage. Much of their issues stem from when they started using samplers, drum machines and sequencing, they had an Emulator, an early 8 bit sampler that used 5 1/4” floppy disks for storage and as can be imagined it hated the climate of a hot and humid club, so would never load up. As such they’d be farting about with it for about half an hour before being able to play the first song. I was at that first ‘free to members’ Hacienda gig too, again totally shambolic and dreadful sound (the Hac PA was just crap back then), but good to see. I don’t think I saw them again after about 1984.
PS Agree about Ceremony, and the green cover version kills the later blue/white one (which IIRC was re-recorded with Gillian). Just way more dynamic and punchy. Ceremony/IALP were unfinished Joy Division songs, there are demo versions with Curtis singing.
PS Agree about Ceremony, and the green cover version kills the later blue/white one (which IIRC was re-recorded with Gillian). Just way more dynamic and punchy. Ceremony/IALP were unfinished Joy Division songs, there are demo versions with Curtis singing.
cj66
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Re Jethro Tull, Crest Of A Knave (1987) was very good IMHO.
Deep Purple, so many direction changes. Their eponymous album is excellent.
In Rock to WDWTWA all good stuff.
Burn...Title song excellent, 2 other good tracks and the rest is naff.
Stormbringer...Great first title track, good last track and a load of twaddle inbetween.
CTTB...No stand out tracks but generally a big improvement.
Perfect Strangers... Great come back album.
Many piles of poo thereafter with only Perpendicular and Now What offering relief.
The latest Whoosh...two tracks available, one boring the other one good.
Deep Purple, so many direction changes. Their eponymous album is excellent.
In Rock to WDWTWA all good stuff.
Burn...Title song excellent, 2 other good tracks and the rest is naff.
Stormbringer...Great first title track, good last track and a load of twaddle inbetween.
CTTB...No stand out tracks but generally a big improvement.
Perfect Strangers... Great come back album.
Many piles of poo thereafter with only Perpendicular and Now What offering relief.
The latest Whoosh...two tracks available, one boring the other one good.
Ask Metallica what they think of it.Joking apart,I was thinking of JT as a performing band and prefer the likes of Glenn Cornick ,John Evan etc to those who followed.As I said before ,Andersons voice was on its way out and the last time I saw them ,about 2001 ,I left the venue thinking they were a pale shadow of former glories
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htm_1968
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If you haven't heard them, the demos for Movement on the recent box set are a great example of what might have been. These are not the much bootlegged early recording from Cabaret Voltaire's Western Works studio. Well worth tracking down on TIDAL if you did not feel obliged to buy the box set.