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anyone see Rick Gervais on the American Golden Globe awards?

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Tony L said:
Who is trying to “cancel” him? I’m clearly not following this story the way you are. For me its just a multimillionaire comedian trying to be “edgy” in front of a room of multimillionaires at a horrible self-congratulatory corporate media event. This is just not the sort of thing I could ever care about. Can we actually cancel the Oscars or whatever this crap was? If so how?
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He's a (one of the) poster boys for the Twitter cancel culture. Mostly from the T part of the identity alphabet folks. But I'm not about to wade into that one!
 
My wife's a counselling psychologist specialising in bereavement and thought his depiction of grief in 'Afterlife' was absolutely bang-on. One of the TV highlights of last year. If you have the time and haven't seen it yet, I'd strongly recommend it as a great way to spend 4 hours.

I haven't seen the golden globes, but if he made some celebs wince, more power to him. And canny choice of presenter by the organisers given the online eminence it appears to have garnered for their trade show.
 
vuk said:
mark.

having a go at apple in public like that isn't really fair to leftists who are loyal to the brand. how would you react if your core identity were attacked that way? sure apple exploits quasi-slave labour, but (thanks to globalism and out-sourcing) we're merely talking about china here and its robotic, homogeneous masses, not a democratic western nation of unique, special individuals.
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It's snowing here too!
 
personally i don't really care about gervais but knowing he's a corbyn supporter (now) puts him up a few notches in my book. i'm just really pleased to see someone come out and call out the hypocrites - especially at such a visible 'public' event ... hats off
 
Jonathan said:
personally i don't really care about gervais but knowing he's a corbyn supporter (now) puts him up a few notches in my book. i'm just really pleased to see someone come out and call out the hypocrites - especially at such a visible 'public' event ... hats off
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as mark suggested above, the alphabet crowd are really twisting the notion of left/right, as are the elite media. hence unwarranted push-back against people like corbyn, sanders and gabbard (as well as those with even more vital political messages to convey like RG).
 
vuk said:
as mark suggested above, the alphabet crowd are really twisting the notion of left/right, as are the elite media. hence unwarranted push-back against people like corbyn, sanders and gabbard (as well as those with even more vital political messages to convey like RG).
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I had to google ‘alphabet crowd’. It appears to be yet another alt-right smear against LGBT minorities, which is *exactly* what I’d expect from you. Keep terms like that off my forum or you will be out the door again.
 
Tony L said:
I had to google ‘alphabet crowd’. It appears to be yet another alt-right smear against LGBT minorities, which is *exactly* what I’d expect from you. Keep terms like that off my forum or you will be out the door again.
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alt-right? i was simply echoing (quite explicitly) what was in mark's reply to you above. you said nothing about that.
 
Tony L said:
I had to google ‘alphabet crowd’. It appears to be yet another alt-right smear against LGBT minorities, which is *exactly* what I’d expect from you. Keep terms like that off my forum or you will be out the door again.
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hoooo hoooo .... my goodness ... a bit heavy handed isn't that Tony? why not ask him first what he meant by the term?
 
vuk said:
as mark suggested above, the alphabet crowd are really twisting the notion of left/right, as are the elite media. hence unwarranted push-back against people like corbyn, sanders and gabbard (as well as those with even more vital political messages to convey like RG).
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had a bit of heated debate with a friend of mine in ottawa (works for parliament no less!) about just this issue ... seems he was trying to fold in a lot of traditionally 'left' issues into the alt-right handbasket! what mental/moral gymnastics. I think it's fascinating on an abstract level even though a bit frightening. Labels are funny like that - but fascism is as fascism DOES i suppose ...
 
vuk said:
alt-right? i was simply echoing what was in mark's reply to you above. you said nothing about that.
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I honestly didn't know it was a term! I was trying to avoid typing out the letters because I don't know them by heart in the proper order and I figured typing and including them would raise hackles. It's best not to mention it at all but there was no other way to answer Tony's question without referencing the topic ... or whatever. It's a minefield.

edit: I just googled the word alphabet with 'crowd' and 'identity', with quotes and without, and I didn't get any relevant hits. I did get some under alphabet people, mostly referencing comedian Dave Chappell.
 
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Jonathan said:
probably so claire ... it resonates with the cynic in me
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jonathan.

having now seen some more footage, which shows actual celeb reactions, i'm far more inclined to go with marky's rope-a-dope analysis. of course there was plenty of staging and some hammy playing along, but if you watch jonathan pryce react to one of the weinstein "bits", it's quite clearly visceral anger and a clumsy display of "moral" indignation, not an inexplicable burgeoning of hitherto unobserved acting talent. similar case with tom hanks and whatever that puff-face was supposed to signal -- in quebec, we generally classify it as uptight anglo worried what his wife/girlfriend will say if he doesn't behave as expected.

now, to those who confess that "the office" was a work of genius, yet want to claim that RG is not funny... huh?
 
AndyU said:
Yes, Gervais trousered a reputed $40 million for his standup gig on Netflix - pretty much pure profit since there’s no cast, a simple stage set, it’s not exactly Game Of a Thrones - and yet he slags of Apple, Amazon and Disney for nothing more than being rival streaming services.
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It's not really slagging off, surely? He knows and the audience knows that really he is one of them. And that why he gets away with it as a comedy speech, I think?
 
richgilb said:
It's not really slagging off, surely? He knows and the audience knows that really he is one of them. And that why he gets away with it as a comedy speech, I think?
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i'm pretty sure you don't understand the political and social dynamics here. gervais is a corbyn/sanders guy. the audience is mainly establishment clintonite (==blairite in your neck of the woods).
 
I’m a fan of his writing/acting and have enjoyed all his series. Even Derek. I also admire his public anti-theist stance.

Surely the fact even we are discussing this indicates why his particular brand of schtick is chosen for these ceremonies over and over.
 
One point from this three pages would be how do any of you know, or does the media know, how much he might give to charities or indeed, the Labour Party.

For me, those that advertise such donations are the ones that come across as twats.

A second point is that Gervais is all about observational comedy of course. It sounds like a lot of you are very familiar with the everyday tedium that is the office environment from your chosen careers perhaps.Very few of you will have worked in the entertainment industry (judging from...) so I would imagine most of the average person's attraction to "Extras" would be familiarity with the same Gervais character and the stereotypical nature of events that many of you will imagine happen in said industries.

Again, I have to imagine that most residents of an expensive hifi forum are not overly familiar with having nothing - nor of caring for those that do, hence "Derek" not appealing to those here, yet getting two series and being found funny by those who HAVE been in those situations...

AfterLife? I imagine, given the likely age of the PFM demographic, that most of you have had to deal with personal tragedy at some point, whether that is a close family member's death, financial ruin or illness that results in a total loss of hope (potentially the result of one of the former).

The point - I am trying to make - is that it is far easier to be amused by observational comedy that observes something you are familiar with.

Those complaining will not find certain aspects of his work overly amusing because you are unfamiliar with the observational/situational aspects of his work including his stand up (which is far more diverse of course - but with the same irreverence) . For the Golden Globes he appears to have (knowing he wasn't going to do another) taken the opportunity to tell the glitterati just what he really thinks of them and all that they stand for. He should IMHO be applauded for that.

In previous ceremonies he has taken the amusing aspects of the year in show business and, with his very dry and irreverential delivery, delivered those to his audience. This time he said "f*ck it! Anyone who does not see the social injustice of what was on display would be a rampant life long Conservative or worse, a Republican.
 
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