Good old shy Tories.
Do you believe the NHS is safe in Tory hands after Brexit?
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Good old shy Tories.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
So am I.
Just saying the regular dismissal of how much we send to the EU is based on what comes back in ‘deals’, some of it being not so obvious.
Full facts are required, not just a headline number otherwise it could be said it’s a red bus.
So I say one thing and you read another. Methinks there is something wrong with your comprehension.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
you very clearly align anger about threats to the NHS with ‘groupthink’, so It seems my comprehension is fine. Uniform thinking is not my problem here, and as I started my post with ‘If’, you seem to confirm that maybe it’s yours.
That you’re so quick to abuse also suggests you have other anger issues
Well, speaking as a bystander here, the obvious question is ‘Do you trust the Tories with the NHS?’
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Would you trust Garry Glitter to drive the school bus?
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also as a bystander, I trust them tacitly as about as much as I trust any govt since the last 50 years. All a muchness, regardless of persuasion as far I as I can see. Or not much.
Go back, look at investment (overall expenditure) vs satisfaction (by any measure). Vs relative workload (staff vs patients vs incidents) over time, I don’t see any real difference in ‘satisfaction ‘ with this lot, compare to Wilson, heath, Callahan, thatcher, major, Blair, browns administrations,
It mainly seems about individuals hikacking, with large amounts of their own bias and partisan party politics just to build their own dull rhetorics.
I just don’t buy the conspiracy that Dave, Tony , Gordon, pat, boris etc really want folk to die Just so they can line their own pockets or exert their cronyism.
YMMV
Lee T
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You need to remove the "after Brexit" bit from the thread title otherwise we could be waiting a millennia for an answer.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
I take your point. Anyone who believes that the Tories prioritise public services will believe anything. However, if there is a Brexit, especially a Tory Brexit, we will be negotiating trade deals and negotiating from a very weak position where the NHS will, of necessity, be our main bargaining chip because we don't have many others
Bob McC
Living the life of Riley
Marky-Mark
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This is on par with a "Will national parks fare better or worse under Trump" poll.
kendo
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ff1d1l
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Fact free a leaner Britain.
Tim Jones
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In short, yes.
At a deeper level, the Tories have been in Government since the creation of the NHS for many years. And yet its existence seems to go strangely unmolested. Or is it perhaps that it's only since Thatcher, or Cameron, or [insert pantomime villain here] that this existential threat has become apparent? The same has been said while the Labour Party has been in power, many times - whether it was pay beds in the 50s and 60s or Milburn's reforms in the 00s.
sean99
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That said the quality of service in the NHS was woeful in the mid 90s after years of conservative neglect / austerity. Wait lists were very long (I waited 18 months for an endoscopy for severe reflux). After a few years of NuLab wait lists fell and NHS service seemed greatly improved.
If the NHS becomes an American style extortion racket it will be done over a period of decades so that the UK public frog is gradually boiled - as has happened in the US (where healthcare costs were much more in line with the rest of the G7 until the late 1980s). Therefore it pays to be watchful of creeping privatization / reduction in services.
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You ad hom is ignored. Poster vs posting. Guess you fully know the aup but feel excused, or may be it’s actually you who is the ignorant one here.
To suggest that anyone whom had not seen a particular tv program is pig ignorant, pairs that very same ignorance with a chunky dose of arrogance.
To further suggest that I don’t know what is coming, is correct. To imply that you on the other hand, do actually know what’s coming is comedic. No one knows what’s coming.
You just think that you do. And that is also ignorant/arrogant.
Mullardman
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Ad Hom aside. It is an open secret that Trump wants access to NHS contracts as part of any trade deal. Also that US Drug manufacturers are lobbying strongly for prices to the NHS, to be raised in line with the extortionate prices they charge in the US. Of course it doesn't occur to the brainwashed American public to ask for the reverse to happen and it certainly doesn't occur to Drug companies.
Mullardman
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What you clearly don't get about Tories is that they don't have to want people to die. They actually don't give a flying f*** whether people die or not. The only thing they care about is reducing taxes via reducing public spending, and where they cannot reduce public spending.. making sure that such spending is channelled through their friends. It is so mind numbingly bloody obvious that I remain dumbfounded that so many will not see it.