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Yiiiiiihaaa!!! The 20'000 UKP power cable is here!

Why all the excitement?
You can spend £20K on a watch but it wont tell the time better than a £10 Casio. So what...?
 
Mike42 said:
Why all the excitement?
You can spend £20K on a watch but it wont tell the time better than a £10 Casio. So what...?
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The high end watch manufacturers don't use pseudoscience & marketing bullshit to claim that the seconds ticked off by the watch are especially modified ones which have had quantum chronons added to make them just a little bit uncertain, thus accounting for why their watches appear to be less accurate than a £10 Casio.

That's the difference.

Chris
 
most of peter belts products were less than £30 or free....

whereas there are lots of perfectly good to use audio connections but companies in the tweaky high end area always use weird ones.....

it's a con.

doesn't happen in the studio arena where desks can cost the price of a house or in the p.a. market that also can cost £3000 a box.....
 
Mescalito said:
The high end watch manufacturers don't use pseudoscience & marketing bullshit to claim that the seconds ticked off by the watch are especially modified ones which have had quantum chronons added to make them just a little bit uncertain, thus accounting for why their watches appear to be less accurate than a £10 Casio.

That's the difference.

Chris
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I disagree. I am baffled by some of the language used on some of the high-end watch manufacturers websites. Different...but the same subjective waffle.
Apparently I'll be more attractive to the opposite sex too. How could you possibly 'measure' that?

But anyway, thats not the point, a £20 watch is as good as a £20K watch at telling the time. A £20 power-lead is nr as damit as good as a £20K power-lead at delivering 240v. Why is hifi extremism so unacceptable?
 
Mike42 said:
A £20 power-lead is nr as damit as good as a £20K power-lead at delivering 240v. Why is hifi extremism so unacceptable?
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i'd say because it is then said to sound better when it doesn't, but the watch may feel nicer, look better, impress certain people, last physically longer etc etc etc....the cable doesn't have to be presented like a luxury product and come in a gift box and cost thousands just so idiots assume it's in some way superior.....but they do now.....:(
 
Steven Toy said:
I dare an audio manufacturer to produce a range of separates connected by non(hi-fi)-industry standard connectors that work better than RCA phonos and IECs.

They could call the iFi Range. By using a connection format not used by anyone else in that particular industry they can force consumers buying into their range of products to buy leads and power supplies made only by them at higher cost.

Remind you of a certain computer company?
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No because when NAim started 5 pin DIN was very much a standard connection, they just didn't move with the times during the adoption of RCA plugs and sockets.
 
Steven Toy said:
Obviously Naim crossed my mind but I wasn't thinking of them.

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You were thinking wrong though. Apple used standard buses when it could, but often preferred their own designs because they simply worked better.

Take ADB for instance. Computers were pretty flaky back then, and when the processor was choked up with some race condition or other the freezing of mouse and keyboard was frustrating to the target market (appliance users). A bus which didn't depend on co-operative time-shared resources was indeed more satisfactory. It was only replaced once processors were fast enough and multi-tasking was at least this side of the horizon. Several generations of Apple laptop had USB ports but still relied on ADB for keyboard and mouse input. It was a long way ahead of its time. Finally when USB was viable they switched. That's how Apple got a reputation for plug and play instead of plug and pray.

Another case in point is Firewire. There simply was nothing like it at the time. SCSI absolutely sucked as a bus back then. It was inflexible, and I'm not just talking about the cables. In the nineties there was one smart way to speak to scanners and especially video cameras: Firewire. It was hot-swap, plug and play, daisy-chainable (63 devices with no slowdown!), independent of CPU, very high bandwidth at the time, and allowed simultaneous access to a resource from multiple clients as well as simultaneous tcp/ip and it didn't need termination. It's superb tech, in many ways still superior to the Johnny-come-lately fast USB's. Firewire was the killer app of the original iPod, because you could bear to load music onto the device without waiting for hours.

In my office I have an old Apple monitor which gets all it needs from one cable which clicks neatly into the back of the Mac. No separate power or USB lead. It's neat. Sadly Apple has been forced to adopt the spaghetti junction method now for the sake of compatibility with far less ambitious standards.

Apple offered Firewire as a standard with a very meagre license fee considering the quality of the invention. It wasn't the license fee that killed Firewire, it was the Windows world's obssession with the cheapest possible hardware. People don't implement Firewire because it costs a few bob to put in a bus controller. Meanwhile desks are cluttered up with crappy USB 'hubs' and endless gang power sockets.

Compatibility with more standard clunky busses has always been available on the Mac platform. Anybody saying that Apple uses busses to monopolise simply doesn't know her tech history. If they'd been interested in proprietising they would have behaved like Sony and introduced iLink: somebody else's bus hobbled by copy protection.

Finally, it was actually the iMac which put USB on the map. USB was languishing on the unloved inventions pile while the IBM-compatible industry stuck with the godawful parallel port standard, because nobody gets fired for choosing IBM.

Seriously, misuse of non-standard busses and connectors is not a complaint you can level at Apple.
 
Mescalito said:
The high end watch manufacturers don't use pseudoscience & marketing bullshit to claim that the seconds ticked off by the watch are especially modified ones which have had quantum chronons added to make them just a little bit uncertain, thus accounting for why their watches appear to be less accurate than a £10 Casio.

That's the difference.

Chris
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So, you'd prefer something like this...

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=2224&rid=2
 
Space is the Place said:
It's got a wooden block on! it must be good!

Heres a tip for all you aspiring hi end cable makers!

1. you must have a wooden block somewhere on the cable, wooden blocks are classy and make the sound organic.

2. You must have undertaken years of research to get to the point where the cable works when plugged into a wall socket.

3, An acronym must be designated to the cable, for example W.A.N.K (weaved atom nano krons).

4. You must name your cable after a mythical creature or god.

5. Always use technical words in the descriptions of the cable, mono flange matrix for example.
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Here are some tips for aspiring cable non-believers:

1. Original Post subject must contain at least 1 exclamation mark...preferably more.

2. For power cable posts, A comparison to an ordinary kettle lead is desirable but not essential.

3. Any cable disbelieving wannabees must race to respond to the original post as quckly as possible. Seconds is preferable, but any time within 5 minutes is deemed acceptable.

4. Preferably, use no technical descriptions or words in your judgements. simple descriptions of lumped LCR parameters are permissible, but not essential.

5. Use the phrase "After the hundreds of miles of cable from the power station, how can the last six feet possibly make any difference..." at least once in each thread.

6. Never...repeat, never...say that you believe that cables make a difference. Uttering such nonsense will obviously ensure you are shunned by your peers.

7. Never buy anything other better than a 2 pound kettle lead for any items in your setup. We will find you if you do...

7. A similar thread must appear again within a suitably short time, to ensure that the same non informative posts and comments can once again be trotted out.
 
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