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SuperNait sounds pretty lush at my place.
Which speakers ?
SuperNait sounds pretty lush at my place.
I total agree with Arkless, for one thing there phase margins are right on the edge - driving real loads with even slightly capacitive cables going to make things a little "peaky" in the time domain.
The Naim designs with non symmetrical output stage (are they all non symmetrical?) is a sure recipe for higher order crossover distortion - this manifests itself as "hardness" and fatigue Brightness in the treble.
Phase Modulation around the zero crossing point is a awful - again due to change of forward gain of the non symmetrical output stage design as the signal transverse the crossover region - this PM negatively effects the sound stage.
I could go on - but I'd not consider the Naim amplifier topology "blameless"... but at the end of the day there are many happy Naim owners - and that's what matters.
Personally, I'm VERY sensitive to the apparent "peaky" treble of Naim systems I've heard at dealers and worst at show - its an aspect of sound quality I cannot live with but each to there own, and without sounding condescending everyone has there own criteria when it comes to enjoying Music.
Frequency response into perfect loads does not indicate time domain performance into real loads, so anyone claiming Naim amps. have a flat frequency response as a defence of there treble performance lacks the understanding of the importance of Phase margins and time domain performance when driving "complex" loads.
In answer to the original question, Tube amps, Sugden, Quad or Meridian solid state designs spring to mind.
Hi guys
In the past I've had Naim Nait xs integrated amp along with a Naim dac. To be honest, I really got to dislike the sound. It had too much treble, or maybe thinness, to describe it in the most communicable language I can think of.
Just wondering what amplifiers may offer a more lush warmer sound? My speakers are B&W CM9s.
Thanks
John W would you consider input sensitivity 1.9 volt is too high on the Rotel 1582 MK 2 200 wpc amplifier
SuperNait sounds pretty lush at my place.
No not at all, far better then having a 100mV input sensitivity.
Why do you ask? are you having problems (sorry - off topic so maybe best via PM)?
No not at all, far better then having a 100mV input sensitivity.
Why do you ask? are you having problems (sorry - off topic so maybe best via PM)?
Good to see you posting again.
I think, though I'm often wrong, that the Super Nait is based on the more recent Naim amps, not the CB & Olive. I think it's the CB & Olive that have the 'Naim sound' that some people perceive as bright.
NAIM have always run at a very low quiescent current, theoretically optimum but you had better get your thermal feed back correct and fast or the output stage is going to be starved of current sometimes under real dynamic conditions rather than steady stateThe Naim designs with non symmetrical output stage (are they all non symmetrical?) is a sure recipe for higher order crossover distortion - this manifests itself as "hardness" and fatigue Brightness in the treble.
I total agree with Arkless, for one thing there phase margins are right on the edge - driving real loads with even slightly capacitive cables going to make things a little "peaky" in the time domain.
The Naim designs with non symmetrical output stage (are they all non symmetrical?) is a sure recipe for higher order crossover distortion - this manifests itself as "hardness" and fatigue Brightness in the treble.
Phase Modulation around the zero crossing point is a awful - again due to change of forward gain of the non symmetrical output stage design as the signal transverse the crossover region - this PM negatively effects the sound stage.
I could go on - but I'd not consider the Naim amplifier topology "blameless"... but at the end of the day there are many happy Naim owners - and that's what matters.
Personally, I'm VERY sensitive to the apparent "peaky" treble of Naim systems I've heard at dealers and worst at show - its an aspect of sound quality I cannot live with but each to there own, and without sounding condescending everyone has there own criteria when it comes to enjoying Music.
Frequency response into perfect loads does not indicate time domain performance into real loads, so anyone claiming Naim amps. have a flat frequency response as a defence of there treble performance lacks the understanding of the importance of Phase margins and time domain performance when driving "complex" loads.
In answer to the original question, Tube amps, Sugden, Quad or Meridian solid state designs spring to mind.
I use my Naim 52 with active monitors. There are no audible problems.
I must say, the OP seems a little troll-y.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Im just trying to get advice, simple as.
Well maybe they shouldn't, but most do, Naim included.Obviously an amplifier shouldn't really have any particular "sound" of its own....