War declared, Israel v Palestine...
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Enfield boy
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Those Palestinians that survive the genocide and many other Muslims will remember the horrors. Understandably, in the absence of anyone fighting their corner for them they may wish to seek vengeance any way they can. Saddam Hussain called GW2 the "mother of all wars". If it wasn't Israel's actions and the Wests complicity might be.
ks.234
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Israel orders more evacuations as Rafah fighting intensifies
BBC framing genocide as ‘fighting’.
Jubal
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Even more sinister. And not being reported accurately at all by our beloved broadcasters.
PaulMB
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I've been thinking about this myself, and I think there are two aspects.
A) The Israelis would like to get the hostages back and they are presumably in tunnels under Rafah with Hamas people, but they would prefer not to cause unnecessary civilian casualties to do so.
B) The planning of the Rafah operation has been part of the horse trading with Hamas, Qatar, Egypt, US, etc. In other words "give us back the hostages and we won't attack Rafah." Obviously more complicated, given the many conditions and demands being made by all sides to call a ceasefire.
mandryka
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Where do you get that idea from? My thought is that any attempt to take out Hamas members more "surgically" would result in more deaths of Israeli soldiers in hand to hand fighting, which they won't accept. So better from their point of view to bombard it from the air. Giving some Palestinians a safe pass out makes good PR.
Are you a Jewish person? If so, can you explain what the Jewish mainstream moral view on all the civilian deaths is? I feel disappointed that the Chief Rabbis have not spoken out against the slaughter of the innocents.
Jubal
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Tunnels? Hamas equivalent of WMD. And about as real. Not sure why only 100k civilians can leave though? Assuming the earlier post is accurate.
I have no truck with the bad faith bargaining going on.
mandryka
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Well it may be more than 100K -- I noticed The Guardian is suggesting 150,000 now. Maybe someone has access to the real picture.
cooky1257
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Or Hancock's half hour.
cooky1257
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The population displacements- they are not evacuations, are window dressing, they will flatten the city district by district.
Dont forget the broader aim of Israel is to render Gaza uninhabitable and to hell with the hostages- Christ the IDF have a doctrine to shoot their own people if taken hostage.
Dont forget the broader aim of Israel is to render Gaza uninhabitable and to hell with the hostages- Christ the IDF have a doctrine to shoot their own people if taken hostage.
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ks.234
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gavreid
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US report on Israeli violations not in ‘good faith’: MSF
A State Department report on how Israel is using weapons supplied by the US provides “excuses” to “deflect responsibility” says Avril Benoit, the executive director of the US branch of MSF, also known as Doctors without Borders.
Benoit said that the analysis from the Biden administration was not a “good faith effort to uphold US law”.
The US Leahy Law prohibits military assistance to forces engaged in gross violations of human rights.
“The horrific reality we witness on the ground in Gaza is that Israeli military operations continue to maim and kill civilians and block the provision of lifesaving humanitarian aid,” said Benoit.
Egypt to join South Africa’s ICJ genocide case against Israel
Egypt says the move is due to the escalating Israeli violence against Palestinian civilians.
The other objective is to murder as many Palestinians as possible. Including women (fewer Palestinians in future) and children (the next generation). It is beyond horrific. Certainly worse than Putin in Ukraine.
ks.234
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MVV
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My guess is the IDF assume all fighting age men to be Hamas and are therefore legitimate targets. As men often live with women and children they become 'collateral damage'. All in 'self defence'. People talk about strategy but I rarely see it, more often I see tactics and patching up. I imagine the 'strategy' is mainly revenge and a vague hope Palestinians will go away because Gaza has been razed to the ground.
Christ knows what is being carefully planned in darkened rooms, it will make 9/11 look like a sideshow.
Abu Ghraib has already been erased from the history of the 'free world' and Putin is a monster.
Christ knows what is being carefully planned in darkened rooms, it will make 9/11 look like a sideshow.
Abu Ghraib has already been erased from the history of the 'free world' and Putin is a monster.
-alan-
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My brother described it in terms which are quite horrible but hard to argue against - an organised cull.
2,977 died in 9/11. In excess of half a million Iraqis were killed as revenge. They had nothing to do with 9/11.
After the zionist lies it now seems 695 Israeli civilians and 71 foreigners died on 7th October. In revenge in excess of 35,000 Palestinians have been murdered so far and counting...the majority are women and children.
All deaths are terrible, but there is no doubt who has suffered the most.
When is 'The West' going to solve the 'problem' it created ?
After the zionist lies it now seems 695 Israeli civilians and 71 foreigners died on 7th October. In revenge in excess of 35,000 Palestinians have been murdered so far and counting...the majority are women and children.
All deaths are terrible, but there is no doubt who has suffered the most.
When is 'The West' going to solve the 'problem' it created ?