blossomchris
I feel better than James Brown
I know enough to know it is cruel.I'll assume that means your surrender on a subject you know little about.
Why do you post little laughing faces, bizarre as my 3year old Granddaughter does that also.
Killing field day this Saturday
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Why do you post little laughing faces, bizarre as my 3year old Granddaughter does that also.
Animals in abattoirs are not terrified, because it they are afraid it affects the meat quality because of the effect of adrenaline. Pigs are very affected by this, the problem is called PSE pork and the meat is unsaleable. None of your sausage recipes work. My work takes me to abattoirs and animal welfare before slaughter is a bigt deal.BHA changed the rules a few years ago to stop horses being sent to slaughter.
New rule in Britain will end practice of sending former racehorses to abattoirs
Horses trained and entered to race in Britain will no longer be slaughtered at abattoirs following a BBC investigationwww.theguardian.com
For myself, yes I realise (other) people eat meat and you could ask why a racehorse is different. But I wouldn't want the last moments of a loved one's life to be spent queuing up in an abattoir, terrified, waiting to have a bolt put through their brain.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
The Panorama program found video footage that showed horses has been 'destroyed' in front of other horses on numerous occasions Steve.
In the UK? If so, that's illegal. I'm not saying that people don't break laws, after all a man murdered a woman in Bradford last week, but we do have them. Every meat slaughter house has to have a vet on site who reports to an independent body and is responsible for animal welfare and the FSA employ s meat inspectors on the same terms. If you tell either of these people to FO you're the one walking. I've been in a lot of slaughterhouse s and never seen animal cruelty. If I did I'd sack the ba*d. It's very simple.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
In the UK.
Animal Aid's cameras also captured what appear to be breaches of rules designed to protect animals from unnecessary cruelty.
The regulations say horses should not be killed in sight of each other.
The footage recorded horses being shot together 26 times over the four days of filming.
Prof Daniel Mills, a veterinary behavioural specialist from the University of Lincoln, who has seen the footage, said: "A gunshot going off is going to be startling, seeing another horse suddenly drop, these are all going to be very distressing for a horse in this situation."
That is not the only breach of the rules.
The regulations also say every effort should be made to ensure a rapid death. But the footage showed that sometimes the death was far from instant.
On 91 occasions the cameras recorded a slaughterman shooting horses, not close up, but from a distance.
Reviewing the footage of one such killing, Prof Mills said: "It doesn't look like the horse is even stunned. You can see it's turning its head. It seems to have got some control actually over its head and neck.
"Taking a shot from a distance at a horse, to me, that's completely out of order. If you're going to euthanise a horse, you've got to get a bullet in the right place.
"If that's representative of how they're being killed, then we've got a really serious problem."
Animal Aid's cameras also captured what appear to be breaches of rules designed to protect animals from unnecessary cruelty.
The regulations say horses should not be killed in sight of each other.
The footage recorded horses being shot together 26 times over the four days of filming.
Prof Daniel Mills, a veterinary behavioural specialist from the University of Lincoln, who has seen the footage, said: "A gunshot going off is going to be startling, seeing another horse suddenly drop, these are all going to be very distressing for a horse in this situation."
That is not the only breach of the rules.
The regulations also say every effort should be made to ensure a rapid death. But the footage showed that sometimes the death was far from instant.
On 91 occasions the cameras recorded a slaughterman shooting horses, not close up, but from a distance.
Reviewing the footage of one such killing, Prof Mills said: "It doesn't look like the horse is even stunned. You can see it's turning its head. It seems to have got some control actually over its head and neck.
"Taking a shot from a distance at a horse, to me, that's completely out of order. If you're going to euthanise a horse, you've got to get a bullet in the right place.
"If that's representative of how they're being killed, then we've got a really serious problem."
Horse racing: Thousands of racehorses killed in slaughterhouses
Some horses once trained by some of racing’s top names are being slaughtered, BBC Panorama finds.
www.bbc.co.uk
Salamander
pfm Member
Sorry Chris, thought you enjoyed a good laugh after reading your posts, won't do it anymore.
farfromthesun
pfm Member
Definitely not yourself.
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
racegoers haha
We also saw similar in the centre of York when we inadvertently booked a weekend break on the same day as York races.
Violence erupts at Aintree as racegoers left startled by Grand National fighting
Ladies Day is usually the time for glitz and glamour at the Grand National festival, but there were ugly scenes when a violent fight broke out on Friday, leaving spectators shocked
www.mirror.co.uk
We also saw similar in the centre of York when we inadvertently booked a weekend break on the same day as York races.
blossomchris
I feel better than James Brown
racegoers haha
Violence erupts at Aintree as racegoers left startled by Grand National fighting
Ladies Day is usually the time for glitz and glamour at the Grand National festival, but there were ugly scenes when a violent fight broke out on Friday, leaving spectators shockedwww.mirror.co.uk
We also saw similar in the centre of York when we inadvertently booked a weekend break on the same day as York races.
yeah, disgusting lot these racing supporters, I know, I was one once
In the UK.
Animal Aid's cameras also captured what appear to be breaches of rules designed to protect animals from unnecessary cruelty.
The regulations say horses should not be killed in sight of each other.
The footage recorded horses being shot together 26 times over the four days of filming.
Prof Daniel Mills, a veterinary behavioural specialist from the University of Lincoln, who has seen the footage, said: "A gunshot going off is going to be startling, seeing another horse suddenly drop, these are all going to be very distressing for a horse in this situation."
That is not the only breach of the rules.
The regulations also say every effort should be made to ensure a rapid death. But the footage showed that sometimes the death was far from instant.
On 91 occasions the cameras recorded a slaughterman shooting horses, not close up, but from a distance.
Reviewing the footage of one such killing, Prof Mills said: "It doesn't look like the horse is even stunned. You can see it's turning its head. It seems to have got some control actually over its head and neck.
"Taking a shot from a distance at a horse, to me, that's completely out of order. If you're going to euthanise a horse, you've got to get a bullet in the right place.
"If that's representative of how they're being killed, then we've got a really serious problem."
Horse racing: Thousands of racehorses killed in slaughterhouses
Some horses once trained by some of racing’s top names are being slaughtered, BBC Panorama finds.www.bbc.co.uk
It would be interesting to see some proof of the horses being upset by others being shot.
I went round a venison farm a few years ago and the chosen method of stress free slaughter was to feed the deer next to the house and when required the owner shot a few from an upstairs window, rifle was silenced and the rest of the deer carried on feeding quite happily.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Suggest you take it up with Prof Daniel Mills the specialist quoted in the article who holds a PhD in animal behaviour and is the Director of the Animal Behaviour Clinic at Lincoln University.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Horses will avoid a spot in a field / racetrack where another horse has been destroyed for quite a while after the event.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
I did a quick google for the abattoir featured in the Panorama program Drury and Sons. They have been repeatedly prosecuted for illegal practices including a £70k fine following the horrific death of an employee due to poor health and safety.
Astonishing that they've been allowed to stay in business. Suggests the industry really isn't well regulated.
Abattoir fined £70k over worker’s death
A SLAUGHTERHOUSE where a worker was crushed to death as he was cleaning a machine has been ordered to pay just under £100,000 in fines and costs.
Wiltshire abattoir owner found guilty of horse cruelty
A Wiltshire abattoir has been found guilty of animal welfare offences, after a horse which could not walk, could hardly breathe and kept falling…
Supermarket chain pledges CCTV in abattoirs to stamp out cruelty
A slaughterman slits the throat of sheep, then cuts off their heads while they are still alive.
www.independent.co.uk
Those are 2 different cases prosecuted by 2 different authorities. The H&S breach was prosecuted by the HSE and there was a conviction and a fine of £70k+ ~£30k costs. This is human health and safety at work, not animal cruelty. The horse cruelty was prosecuted by Wiltshire TSO, there was a conviction and a fine of £20k + £10k costs. I would say that the industry was very well regulated, the proof is in over £100k in fines to directors. It's badly run, clearly, but unregulated it certainly isn't.I did a quick google for the abattoir featured in the Panorama program Drury and Sons. They have been repeatedly prosecuted for illegal practices including a £70k fine following the horrific death of an employee due to poor health and safety.
Astonishing that they've been allowed to stay in business. Suggests the industry really isn't well regulated.
Abattoir fined £70k over worker’s death
A SLAUGHTERHOUSE where a worker was crushed to death as he was cleaning a machine has been ordered to pay just under £100,000 in fines and costs.www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk
Wiltshire abattoir owner found guilty of horse cruelty
A Wiltshire abattoir has been found guilty of animal welfare offences, after a horse which could not walk, could hardly breathe and kept falling…www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk
Supermarket chain pledges CCTV in abattoirs to stamp out cruelty
A slaughterman slits the throat of sheep, then cuts off their heads while they are still alive.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Yes and no.
In 2010 The Indie reported "sheep that had been stunned were decapitated straight after their throats were cut". The FSA dropped the prosecution because the film was obtained by trespass.
In 2020 they were fined £20k for cruelty to an injured horse.
In 2023 they were fined £1,600 for cruelty to an injured sheep.
This is what has been they've been caught doing. You have to wonder what else has gone on.
This is what literally five minutes on Google revealed. Why would anyone give their business to a firm with this track record if they cared an ounce about the welfare of their livestock?
Possibly so, but unregulated they are not. Fined every year doesn't say that they are not being policed, and effectively. If the prosecutor fails to follow the law themsleves then the prosecution will fail. This happens in plenty of police cases, after all.
Why indeed. I don't deal with people I know to be ar53holes, and there are a good few in the meat trade. I've personally ensured that one such I met in one job didn't supply a later client company. Is everyone as diligent? It appears not.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
That's good to hear Steve
We're straying OT but to me the point is that this firms reputation must be well known.
Anyone who sent their racehorses to them to be slaughtered clearly didn't give a **** about animal welfare.
farfromthesun
pfm Member
I've kind of lost track, did ex-racehorses get sent there? If so, I'd agree with you 100%. My strong feeling is that this is an edge case and not representative of what happens ordinarily.That's good to hear Steve
We're straying OT but to me the point is that this firms reputation must be well known.
Anyone who sent their racehorses to them to be slaughtered clearly didn't give a **** about animal welfare.
Maybe, but I can't talk about individuals. I know the places I've worked at are well run. I've been around the Morrison's one at Colne, that's a big 3 species abattoir (cow, pig, sheep) and while it is an utter scene from hell it's well run and the animals are well looked after until their last living moment. Similarly I've been in a number of chicken factories, one in particular about 15 years back was still using electric stun and decapitation for chicken slaughter, and when you went in the kill room everything in the place was red. Walls, floors, machinery, staff. It was horrific, but there was no cruelty. Gas stun is now used on birds, it's very quick and they don't know anything. There's CCTV on every kill line. I've seen considerable improvements in the last 15 years or so.That's good to hear Steve
We're straying OT but to me the point is that this firms reputation must be well known.
Anyone who sent their racehorses to them to be slaughtered clearly didn't give a **** about animal welfare.
The snag with picking up on individual cases is that it's like picking up on the man who murdered the woman in Bradford in broad daylight last week. Does this mean that women aren't safe in Bradford? Does it mean that the police aren't doing their jobs? Does it mean that we don't have laws? The presence of lawbreaking doesn't of itself indicate any of this. After all, the man in question is now in custody and has been charged. The courts will now prosecute.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Yes this is the abattoir featured in the Panorama program. And apologies for going a bit off-topic.