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How do I start a digital music library?

Nicholas

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I'm no tech wizard but want to build a quality digital music library and would prefer to have high quality, hi-res music where possible and a simple, future proof interface (or software or app or whatever it is called) that manages these files.

Currently I stream using a Blusound node 2i into a separate DAC into a vintage Sansui integrated and I get decent quality sound this way. I have iphone and Macbook computers.

My objectives are high quality master music files and a simple, future proof interface. If you were starting this journey in Spring 2024 what would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for any guidance and advice you care to share.
 
There are no future proof interfaces. RME do make great audio interfaces and are still updating drivers for hardware 20 years old.
 
As said earlier, Qobuz is a good paid for service and not really expensive when you consider other house hold bills.

I ripped 200 CDs over a couple of weeks.
You need a CD player for the Mac - Superdrive - ripping software which can be freely obtained (I use FLAC) - and storage.
Storage could either Network Attached Storage (NAS).
The NAS can be a single drive or a mirrored drive.
I use two separate Western Digital refurbished drives of 8T - they come up on the WD site from time to time.
Also, you need connectivity between the Mac ripping the CDs, the NAS and your Bluesound.
Assuming you have a router with ethernet connectivity you can plug the NAS into that and it'll be accessible to all.

The downside to this is that you have spinning disk on all the time which can generate annoying noise when not in use.
Or, you can power them up when you want to.
Also, think about the outlay for the storage.
I think my FLAC collection is in the order of 1T but I use the NAS for other files like documentation.

If you are not good with Networks and Storage this may not be the solution

Since getting Qobuz, I hardly ever stream from my FLAC collection and it's unobtrusive.
 
Qobuz is proprietary and hence not future proof. They may cease trading, they’ve already been taken over I believe after financial issues.
There are public domain solutions which have a better chance of being more future-proof.
Also, Qobuz doesn’t offer the best the best audio quality. may people agree with this.
FWIW I use Squeeze, other solutions are available - MPD, Minim etc
 
Qobuz is proprietary and hence not future proof. They may cease trading, they’ve already been taken over I believe after financial issues.
There are public domain solutions which have a better chance of being more future-proof.
Also, Qobuz doesn’t offer the best the best audio quality. may people agree with this.
FWIW I use Squeeze, other solutions are available - MPD, Minim etc
Really, what does offer the best the best audio quality?
 
Have you got a music collection on CD already? If so then your first task is to rip that collection onto an SSD drive using something like DB Poweramp, which will create bit perfect copies of your music so it will all be 44khz 16 bit, just like on the CD itself. This is indeed time consuming but with a modern Macbook Pro and a Super Drive it's reasonably quick, maybe 1-2 minutes per CD. I ripped 600 discs over the course of a few weeks whilst sitting at my desk working (from home). The benefit of this is that once it's done it's done and you can then box up your CDs and store them somewhere.

The other way to build a library is to buy the download from somewhere like Tidal or Qobuz, the latter often has higher resolutions files up to 196KHz/48bit, which when played on a good system, will offer a worthwhile improvement in sound quality, although it will be relatively marginal and how much difference you hear will depend on how good your system is.

I've never heard any report that say Qobuz doesn't offer the best audio quality; that's a new one on me. Certainly the file resolution Qobuz offers is often higher than for other mainstream download/streaming services, but Qobuz doesn't offer DSD, which is a new format for encoding music data that is considerably superior to PCM (which is the format all other music will be in). That said, none of the download/streaming services offer DSD; for that you have to look to specialist services which are purchase only, i.e. no streaming option.

Once you have all your music stored somewhere you then need to feed it into your system via a DAC. You can output from a Macbook or any other PC and simply play the files through the inbuilt media players. That's the simplest way but a big compromise on sound quality.

Think of the starting point in your replay chain as being like a CD transport; that's your music server and it's a combination of hardware and software but ostsensibly your music server is a PC, so any computer you already own can become your music server, but a dedicated machine, built for the purpose will be vastly superior to a regular home PC because home PCs are very noisy (electrically speaking, not audibly so).

Your music server (or transport) will combine optimised hardware and software to store, retrieve, prepare and pass as a digital stream the music you want to play to your DAC. Each of those steps needs to be managed correctly and optimised for music play back. For each step that you compromise in some way, you will reduce the fidelity of the final experience.

There are various player/management interfaces that will act to gather up the music you want from it's stored place, make it ready to pass to the DAC and then hand it over. That is ostensibly the combination of hardware and software but mostly we are focused on the user interface because it's the part we most readily engage with. So for example Roon, which acts to sit between your music stored on the server and you the user is one such interface. You can also still have other music players running behind Roon (like HQ Player or J River); in that instance Roon is merely the interface that makes your experience of browsing, choosing and exploring your music collection a much richer one. Think of it as being like getting all your CDs or vinyls out of an evening and pouring over the art work, reading the metadata or following the lyrics. I personally find Roon a transformative experience for music replay; for some reason it's a bit of a marmite thing and many people (on here) are very against it. I've never quite understood why but life's too short to worry about it!

If you go down the Roon option, you have to either buy a lifetime license or subscribe annually. You then need a Roon Server, i.e. the copy that sits with the music and does all the management of it. You then access that Roon server via a user interface, which you can download to your phone, tablet, laptop etc. If you are using your laptop/PC as the place where your music is stored then the Roon user interface and Roon Server will be the same device.

Also, Roon will interface with most other streaming services to give you access to streamed music. This is how I've expanded my music collection; Roon will select music for you after you've finished listening to an album you own based on what other people have listened to that is similar. It's called Roon Radio and it's a wonderful way to discover new music. If you hear something you like you can then download a copy that you own.

As with higher resolution file formats, playing from a stored local copy offers a marginal but still very worthwhile improvement in sound quality; the more revealing your system, the more noticeable that improvement will be.

Having done this transition myself four years ago and spent extensive time listening, I can promise you that a dedicated music server makes an enormous difference to music replay. This is also something that appears to be very contentious here, again I've no idea why so many people desperately need to assert that a music server, being just a PC, makes no difference. I went from using my Macbook Pro as the Roon Server (with my music on an SSD drive) to a dedicated music server (abeit a pretty high end one - about £7k all in), and the difference was startling. To quantify the improvement, the addition of that music server (an LDMS Mini Max by Lucas Audio Labs), was as big a step as moving from using the variable output on my DAC to control volume, to adding a £22k pre-amp.

Hope all this helps.
 
I'm no tech wizard but want to build a quality digital music library and would prefer to have high quality, hi-res music where possible and a simple, future proof interface (or software or app or whatever it is called) that manages these files.

Currently I stream using a Blusound node 2i into a separate DAC into a vintage Sansui integrated and I get decent quality sound this way. I have iphone and Macbook computers.

My objectives are high quality master music files and a simple, future proof interface. If you were starting this journey in Spring 2024 what would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for any guidance and advice you care to share.
That's a potential pitfall as you'd be buying into a platform as opposed to music. I bought lots of SACDs and DVD-As on the premise that the hi-res versions on offer would be better than the standard CD versions and in some cases that's how it turned out. But - and it's a big but - it wasn't the case in many if not most cases, what with the loudness wars in full swing at the time.

My suggestion would be to take it on a case-by-case scenario. If you've got a version, or have access to a version via streaming that sounds pretty good then I wouldn't go assuming a hi-res version will sound better simply because it's hi-res.
 
Thanks for the responses. Some real world experience coming at me - just what I was hoping for. Cheers all! In particular dalryc for that realistic and practical explanation and geetee 1972 for your detailed response and support for Roon.

If I'm honest, I doubt I'd burn all my CD's as I have over 2,000 and particularly now I know that there maybe better quality options available. Like many of us I suppose I want to have my cake and eat it, with just accessing the best quality master of the music easily. Like most things in modern life it is complicated.

I do like the idea of broadening my musical listening based around what I play currently. I now know that Roon does that and I know that Spotify does that. Do all the streaming services do this? I guess we have to believe in the algorithm, just as we believed in the journalists in NME etc... back in the day.
 
Oh and don't worry I am equally committed to the analogue world. I have a turntable and many records and I still avidly purchase records. That is a technology I can master, even if setting up my turntable correctly was eventually beyond me and I got some expert help.
 
I looked seriously at buying a Nova Fidelity rip and storage device
Seemed a great idea but not essential for me

I'd now look favourably at one of these
Not sure what I would run it with. That needs careful investigation.
Martin at Audiostore spoke of a great piece of software, but I forgot the name ! :)
 
I find Spotify extremely useful for discovering new music, and I use it more or less every day for "convenience listening", i.e. at my desk or in the car. I tend to then buy copies of albums that I like, and play them physically if I want to sit down and listen properly. I also have a large collection of lossless music on my NAS that I have amassed over the years.

If you want to build up an "electronic" version of your music collection then ripping your CDs is probably the best way. I know you say you have 2,000 so it won't be quick, but you can start with your most-played albums for example.

Having both physical and DRM-free electronic copies of your music means you're immune to issues arising when streaming services cease, or the older device you're using stops being supported, or that album you really want to listen to has inexplicably been removed. All you need is a CD/Record/Tape/whatever player, and a device capable of streaming music from a local network source. :)

I would also not concentrate too much on "high res" or "studio master" formats, as I don't believe they offer anything over CD-quality music in real world situations, but that's just me.
 


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