Need fast speakers
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My view entirely, I think people underestimate the importance of driver acceleration, for me it's the difference between a lifelike sound and the average hi fi.
I've not heard a long throw 8" bass driver with anything like the resultion that's possible, however impressive it may sound in isolation
brecklandboy
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As suggested earlier, you should definitely put electrostatic speakers on your audition list. They are seriously fast transducers.
Ayya Khema
pfm Member
8" woofers are toys. they can never give the foundation music needs without dual subs. and 8'' plus dual subs is the opposite of a fast high efficiency horn system, or big tannoy or big jbl.
dynamism needs hi-eff woofers. 95db and more.
Sealed doesnt have anything to do with fast. Group delay is one of the most overused BS in ''audiophile' circles; just look up the decay of your room acoustic
Fatmarley
"It appears my intelligence circuits have melted"
The most subjectively fast speaker that I've owned would be the JPW AP2, but audiophiles turn their nose up at them because they are too cheap.
It's hardly worth mentioning Linn Kans because they don't produce any bass, and really need a subwoofer.
It's hardly worth mentioning Linn Kans because they don't produce any bass, and really need a subwoofer.
Definitely agree with this. I have the 25/21i’s and my father has the 25/22i’s. Both are fed with Naim amplification and have a get up and go sound signature. Fast, dynamic but also have a quick and snappy bottom end. My only complaint is their price which I think is a bit over the top for what they are.
Gervais Cote
Predator
ATC must be doing something right.
A friend of mine is an engineer at Dolby System in the U.S. and they used some ATC studio monitors to "calibrate" their stuff.
He is a rubber specialist working on surround and suspension of woofers and he confirmed to me the ATC are almost impossible to better......
Agree they are excellent, stupidly sold mine ages ago.
Snell/AN K may be another to look out for.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Someone is selling Usher Tiny Dancers. Their Be tweeters are superb, no cabinet resonance. I’d describe these speakers as fast
Jezzer
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I used to have a pair of these and I agree that their tweeters are great - but as a whole the Ushers are not that fast. (but for stand-mounts they sound far larger than they have any right to)
That's subjective. If speakers with 8" woofers are toys, I presume 10" or larger only qualify for big boys.
Speakers with 10" or 12" woofers are mostly huge and can't produce good results in small to medium sized rooms of say 3.0m to 5.0m thereabouts even though the room may be dedicated for the hifi and nothing else. In a domestic listening environment in the lounge or living room where placement of speakers is limited, small to medium sized speakers with 5" to 7" drivers will often produce better results than huge speakers with larger drivers. When you turn up the volume, the sound will be a mess with large speakers in smaller rooms.
Although good bass is important, it's not everything. People can still enjoy the music without deep bass, speakers with 8" woofers or smaller. It's better to have less bass than too much bass with larger speakers with 10" drivers which will mess up everything including the midrange and treble.
tenpercenter
Don't ya rile 'em.....
JPW AP2’s are forgotten gems. Sealed box designs that just sound right
Tarzan
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James
Lord of the Erg\o/s
That is a gross generalisation. The best I've heard a pair of Naim DBLs (15" woofers) sound was in a small room that was probably around 4.5 x 3.5m. You also seem to confuse bass extension with gravitas. Can you explain how a larger pair of loudspeakers make a mess of the sound when turned up when in fact they are less likely to suffer compression than smaller ones do?
James
Lord of the Erg\o/s
The first time I laid eyes on Naim DBL playing in anger, I observed the woofer had barely perceptible movement. I later learned that with a large surface area (Sd), you don't need much excursion to generate serious levels. High sensitivity loudspeakers do tend to sound more dynamic. There is a parallel between f = m * a and motor strength (BI) * equivalent area (Sd) / moving mass (Mms).
Perhaps only with Naim speakers which i do not have experience with. Insufficient space from wall boundaries with most box speakers, not related to speakers experiencing compression at higher levels. Sound quality will suffer first before smaller speakers achieve compression.
Small to medium sized speakers for small rooms. Big speakers for larger rooms. Not the other way round unless one spends a lot of time, effort and money in optimising the set up.
James
Lord of the Erg\o/s
This does not accord with my experience of running a pair of 12" NS-1000M in my 4m x 5.8m room. They sound just as good as my pair of little E-IXs with 5.25" mid-woofers. The main advantage of the Yamahas is they can go much louder than my little Ergos.