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These are all enforced via specialised companies and it's about actively defending copyrights rather than finding more income or stopping videos that might theoretically otherwise have to pay a licensing fee (but of course never will). The fact that a lot of the most absurd copyright holders tend be old men I think is mostly because they are all old enough to have been around for the the MP3 / Napster years and have they have regressed into responding to people listening to their music in "they took our stuff!" South Park style.... :)

Part of the issue for YouTube in being so very conservative, and this is usually what American YouTubers often fail to understand (Beato being a good example), is copyright law is often much stronger in other parts of the world than it is in the US - they're playing to a world-wide audience rather than a parochial one. While 'fair educational use' might be thing in the US it's often not the same over here. You'll rarely, if ever, see Andertons play a cover for a demo for example...
 
You'll rarely, if ever, see Andertons play a cover for a demo for example...

They do in Rabea’s ‘Sound like xxxx by/without breaking the bank’ series, which is actually rather entertaining in its own way. Rabea really can play anything! I guess they throw the YouTube revenue for that series, but obviously see no reason for the rest. I’d expect the sort of viewing figures they get to generate some very serious cash, so it makes sense to ensure there are no disputes unless the whole point is a ‘sound-alike’.
 
They do in Rabea’s ‘Sound like xxxx by/without breaking the bank’ series, which is actually rather entertaining in its own way. Rabea really can play anything! I guess they throw the YouTube revenue for that series, but obviously see no reason for the rest. I’d expect the sort of viewing figures they get to generate some very serious cash, so it makes sense to ensure there are no disputes unless the whole point is a ‘sound-alike’.

I'm sure they expect those to be demonetised but not blocked - they'll choose carefully (as does Beato)
 
Part of the issue for YouTube in being so very conservative, and this is usually what American YouTubers often fail to understand (Beato being a good example), is copyright law is often much stronger in other parts of the world than it is in the US - they're playing to a world-wide audience rather than a parochial one. While 'fair educational use' might be thing in the US it's often not the same over here. You'll rarely, if ever, see Andertons play a cover for a demo for example...

We have fair use over here, of course, and I think most things Beato does would be fine here as well (even before we get to the question of whether UK law is even relevant given YouTube is based in the US).

Besides music copyright issues are trivial compared to *time sensitive* material such as sport and premiers of films and TB shows. "Content is king" is still true but most people already have an order of magnitude more content than they can ever consume in their lifetime so it only really matters for live sport and the tiny number of massive hit dramas (the Game of Thrones effect). I would also argue that most of the problem is the other way as content like music and drama airs in far more places where the enforcement of copyright is basically ignored (india, china, etc). E.g. the fact that premiership football is effectively free or even *re-sold* in places like Saudi Arabia.
 
We have fair use over here, of course, and I think most things Beato does would be fine here as well (even before we get to the question of whether UK law is even relevant given YouTube is based in the US).

I'm not convinced because he isn't a charity and he seeks to make money on his 'merch'
 
The YouTube app that was installed with my Sony TV has recently started interrupting any videos longer than 10 minutes or so with bloody adverts. They just crash in with no warning. I've stopped watching, I use my laptop instead.
 
I'm not convinced because he isn't a charity and he seeks to make money on his 'merch'

That is a good point, he very obviously plugs his book etc at least twice during every video, so I guess the ‘we did not agree to our music being used in an advert’ card could be played. I’d argue it would be spectacularly dumb to play it in this case, but I can see other similar situations where I’d definitely want the ability to get content I owned pulled. The thing I’m arguing here really is the stupidity of a lot of music management, especially in the ‘dad rock’ category. To my eyes in many cases they are just not acting in the best financial interests of their artists either short or long term. The idea that YouTube can draw so much attention to music of past decades should be welcomed, so many great musos from all genres end up very far from wealthy and could really use fresh folk discovering their back catalogue and hopefully buying it. It is all to often we hear of crowdfunders for ageing musos who can’t afford their medical bills, folk really broke as they can’t play anymore due to health issues etc.

PS My Sony TV hasn’t started doing that yet, though it’s Android-based so bugged to hell!
 
That is a good point, he very obviously plugs his book etc at least twice during every video, so I guess the ‘we did not agree to our music being used in an advert’ card could be played. I’d argue it would be spectacularly dumb to play it in this case, but I can see other similar situations where I’d definitely want the ability to get content I owned pulled. The thing I’m arguing here really is the stupidity of a lot of music management, especially in the ‘dad rock’ category. To my eyes in many cases they are just not acting in the best financial interests of their artists either short or long term. The idea that YouTube can draw so much attention to music of past decades should be welcomed, so many great musos from all genres end up very far from wealthy and could really use fresh folk discovering their back catalogue and hopefully buying it. It is all to often we hear of crowdfunders for ageing musos who can’t afford their medical bills, folk really broke as they can’t play anymore due to health issues etc.

PS My Sony TV hasn’t started doing that yet, though it’s Android-based so bugged to hell!

I agree completely.
 
The YouTube app that was installed with my Sony TV has recently started interrupting any videos longer than 10 minutes or so with bloody adverts. They just crash in with no warning. I've stopped watching, I use my laptop instead.

Google changed the rules about how ads were inserted fairly recently. I’m certainly seeing much more of them these days - though I assume some of that is people trying to monetise their channel in these difficult times.
 
The YouTube app that was installed with my Sony TV has recently started interrupting any videos longer than 10 minutes or so with bloody adverts. They just crash in with no warning. I've stopped watching, I use my laptop instead.

This has been a thing on sheild tv for like 2 years. get used to it. The only reason you dont see it on your laptop is you have an ad blocker installed.
 
I'm not convinced because he isn't a charity and he seeks to make money on his 'merch'

He makes his money selling his music training courses -- the beato book and his ear training course which is very different from buy my mug or t-shirt.
 

Here’s Dave Jones from EEVBlog having a right old rant about the new mid-roll YouTube ads, which thankfully my Sony TV, bought late last year, seems too dumb or buggy to display. It refuses to update itself beyond Android 8, so hopefully it is immune!
 
He makes his money selling his music training courses -- the beato book and his ear training course which is very different from buy my mug or t-shirt.

That's cool and I love it but he can't have it both ways as the law stands
 
These are all enforced via specialised companies and it's about actively defending copyrights rather than finding more income or stopping videos that might theoretically otherwise have to pay a licensing fee (but of course never will). The fact that a lot of the most absurd copyright holders tend be old men I think is mostly because they are all old enough to have been around for the the MP3 / Napster years and have they have regressed into responding to people listening to their music in "they took our stuff!" South Park style.

Because the problem here is that the world has changed and lots of copyright driven industries haven't. In practical terms, copyright mostly exists for bad actors to extract value for things to which they add marginal value. So for example, the record label was traditionally talent search, agents and physical distribution which in any sensible world would earn them minimal, flat fees. Most of their business is euphemistically called "trucks and sheds" by management consultancies precisely to indicate it's mundane, marginal value and that it should be in service of the copyright holder rather than using copyright to artificially restrict artist and consumer rights so you turn driving a truck of CDs up the M1 into a way to print money.

In all of this it's important to remember that the music industry should be no different from ever other industry that has seen the old ways of working disappear and by now most of these companies should have found something relevant for their artists and consumers and socially useful to do or else ****ed off. In my industry (finance) and my profession (software engineering) everything has changed and it should be no different just because the this you make is a song instead of a computer program, or trading platform.

I do think this is a music specific thing though and it's very noticeable that since I got back into guitars, music software comes with these weird licensing utilities that require you to install come cancer like software -- for which you cannot see the source code and could literally to do anything -- and enter a code. This sort of thing died out about 20 years ago in the rest of the industry as a) everyone is connected to the internet now and b) for sensible people making your customers jump through hoops to prove they are not criminals is considered perverse.

Of course copyright has to exist and if I try to release a cover of Beyonce's latest or play endless Top 40 hits for the customers of my bar then I should be stopped. But stuff like copyright hassling of Rick Beato should be covered under a broad fair use exemptions and their should be some reasonable burden on the copyright holder to prevent frivolous takedowns. I refuse to believe anyone really things Don Henley would suffer if the limit to how much Hotel California you could use in a music theory video went from the current 4 secs to, say, 20 secs.

In other words the free software people (and Vuk!) were basically right about copyright. In its current form it's ultimately a bad thing for the general good.

Matthew

PS Days of Jarrett sounds like a CIA torture programme :)

It’s just so much nicer being a rentier and not having to do the daily 9-5. Thus the unscrupulous put a lot of effort into ensuring that the rentier gig continues.
 
I don't understand.

UK copyright law allows fair use in limited circumstances, review and criticism being one of them. However, the amount of the material quoted must no more than is necessary for the purpose of the review - I don't think going through a whole song or the major part of a song would be acceptable. Ranking songs and playing snippets probably doesn't come under review either if there's no real discussion or assessment of the work.
 
UK copyright law allows fair use in limited circumstances, review and criticism being one of them. However, the amount of the material quoted must no more than is necessary for the purpose of the review - I don't think going through a whole song or the major part of a song would be acceptable. Ranking songs and playing snippets probably doesn't come under review either if there's no real discussion or assessment of the work.

Does that mean he's simply not allowed to make those videos? He's not making any money of them and, for legal purposes, making them in the US so I'm not sure UK law is even relevant.
 


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