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Younger generation audio quality ?

My 14-yr-old daughter has just asked for TT for Christmas. This is something of a shock as my set-up has been all digital since before she was born. I was thinking of getting into a pointless circular debate with her about the relative merits of digital vs analog, involving entrenched subj/obj positions, ad hominem arguments, and lots of general unpleasantness.

But instead I’ve decided to just shut up and buy her a Pro-ject.
 
Can remember my early teens ( just about ) having a wee Music Fidelity system. Then you start going to live gigs and clubs where you notice the quality of the sound. That in turn put me onto being an audiophile.
Don't see any difference today , if one is into music then one will follow the path to good sound systems.
 
mattgbell said:
My 14-yr-old daughter has just asked for TT for Christmas. This is something of a shock as my set-up has been all digital since before she was born. I was thinking of getting into a pointless circular debate with her about the relative merits of digital vs analog, involving entrenched subj/obj positions, ad hominem arguments, and lots of general unpleasantness.

But instead I’ve decided to just shut up and buy her a Pro-ject.
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What an amazing daughter you have.

Nic P
 
Nic P said:
What an amazing daughter you have.

Nic P
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I involved her in my speaker upgrade last year. It was useful to have someone sane on the team.

On a serious note (and this was the subtext of my earlier post): it's the responsibility of the older generation to pass on its accumulated wisdom to the younger generation. Of course, they can ignore us or tell us to bog off (which happens quite a lot in my household). But we owe it to them to make them aware of the wonders of high-fidelity music reproduction in the home.

And I would hate to think they'd be turned off hi-fi by the sight of a load of malodorous old gits arguing pointlessly about how many angels you can fit on the head of an elliptical diamond needle. Which is the impression this (otherwise most excellent) forum sometimes gives.
 
mattgbell said:
My 14-yr-old daughter has just asked for TT for Christmas. This is something of a shock as my set-up has been all digital since before she was born. I was thinking of getting into a pointless circular debate with her about the relative merits of digital vs analog, involving entrenched subj/obj positions, ad hominem arguments, and lots of general unpleasantness.

But instead I’ve decided to just shut up and buy her a Pro-ject.
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I call that bad parenting.

All turntable debates are circular. Not having any children I don't know what age they only do the opposite to what you tell them but if she is under that age perhaps you should've told her analogue was cool? The bad parenting bit? Get her a Rega instead!!
 
Tony L said:
I suspect very well. A digital equivalent would be say a Cambridge 651C CD, 651A amp and the £250 Cambridge speakers with that really wide-band flat mid/tweeter thing that runs right down to 250Hz.

I think things are actually damn good at present,.... £1k buys a heck of a lot of good sound these days if it's spent wisely.
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I think you are right Tony. I just wish I could reproduce the excitement and pride of ownership getting the Practical HiFi Recommended system gave!

What generates that today? I can remember ten years ago it was getting your first contract phone. Now?
 
Vinyl is having a comeback (that has lasted quite a long time). The young are a key part of that. I will stick my neck out and predict a revival in 2-channel audio.

I doubt many youngsters would be attracted to the religious bollocks we so often get on pfm. Are there any youngsters (less than 30 yrs old) reading the forum? If so then speak up and make your voices heard.

Nic P
 
Nic P said:
Are there any youngsters (less than 30 yrs old) reading the forum? If so then speak up and make your voices heard.
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Based on a poll a long while ago a few, but not many. pfm's demographic is a fairly typical bell-curve distribution centred around 45-55, but we had a few folk in their teens and twenties, plus many quite elderly folk too. I'd obviously like to see the widest range possible here, all are welcome, but I suspect it merely reflects the state of the audio industry itself. I bet both Head-Fi (headphone audio) and Gearslutz (pro-audio/studio) have a rather younger median age. I'm not helping much with the record shop either as I guess I'm a classical specialist as much as anything - I certainly don't seem able to find the stuff folk queue up for hours/miles to buy on Record Store Day etc!
 
Nic P said:
Vinyl is having a comeback (that has lasted quite a long time). The young are a key part of that. I will stick my neck out and predict a revival in 2-channel audio.

I doubt many youngsters would be attracted to the religious bollocks we so often get on pfm. Are there any youngsters (less than 30 yrs old) reading the forum? If so then speak up and make your voices heard.

Nic P
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Firstly vinyl never went away for some of us. Secondly, I think we are seeing the slow death of 5.1 helped by a growth in soundbars (not what they are calling discos BTW). Thirdly, if you think youngsters can't get upset about analogue/digital type of debates you need to look at some gaming forums (I don't, but I have been told about the "pleasant" language and bullying that does go on). Fourthly, I am not under 30 and I never was.

Who was saying recently that all we will be left with soon is downloads, streaming and vinyl as the only physical media?
 
As long as I can download lossless at 16/44 or better, I am okay with it. The bigger issue is modern music production quality (acoustics, miking, dynamic range etc) and better digital mastering. Hopefully recent progress and growing awareness will continue.
 
mattgbell said:
My 14-yr-old daughter has just asked for TT for Christmas. This is something of a shock as my set-up has been all digital since before she was born. I was thinking of getting into a pointless circular debate with her about the relative merits of digital vs analog, involving entrenched subj/obj positions, ad hominem arguments, and lots of general unpleasantness.

But instead I’ve decided to just shut up and buy her a Pro-ject.
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Well done ;)
 
I'm worried that there won't be anyone left who can mix a recording, because they have no conception of what quality music playback can do.

This may already have come to pass, considering the dreck coming out of most recording studios anymore.
 
all this really interests me. I'm currently putting together a proposal for a research masters regarding the correlation about better audio reproduction and enjoyment, psychological movement. together with the why the uk makes the best audio gear.

Anyway... i think digital tech has made better audio quality available to the masses and thats why our big hifi companies survive by selling to the affluent of china.

if I were 17 now i wouldn't be looking longingly at cartridges but at dac / headphones / active speakers. In fact my son who is studying at Leeds College of Music uses a mac and KRK monitors, peanuts when compared to what i saved up for at college (Linn / naim)
 
I had a boozy night on Saturday..we might even have smoked a little weed. Anyway I seem to remember a few hours spent listening to music. Not on any kind of hifi but some friends happily swapping tracks on a couple of iPhones. Sounded great.
 
Yes John but the weed quality that today's kids have to put up with is rubbish compared with 40 years ago.
 
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