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Yet Another Scam

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Sonority, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. Sonority

    Sonority pfm Member

    To be aware of.
    Cold call at 7.50am at work - obviously an asian call centre.
    I am calling you from the TPS (Telephone Preference Service) to offer you an enhanced service.
    There is a charge for this and we need to set up a direct debit for it..

    You can imagine my response at that time in the morning.

    After a quick search - yes - it's been a thing for a few years.
    TPS is free, and these fraudsters are just that.

    Be careful out there.
     
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  2. Jamie

    Jamie pfm Member

    If you were registered with TPS, did you ask why they rang? :D
     
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  3. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    TPS is administered by the ICO, and the DMA. It's free.

    It reminds me of the old scam where businesses were charged exorbitant fees to 'register' with the ICO under the old DPA. In point of fact, the process was very straightforward, and cost very few drinking vouchers, but these scammers were creaming hundreds off companies to do it, and like as not, not actually bothering to do the admin anyway.
     
  4. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    The TPS is useful as t*ts on a bull.
     
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  5. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    The problem is, it's very effective at stopping calls from reputable companies, but can't do anything about the crooks and scammers. That said, if you're registered with the TPS, that makes any scam call very clearly unlawful, whereas if you're not registered, its not quite so black and white. Most of the scammers who get fined large sums by the ICO (there have been many) are nabbed due to their calling TPS registered victims, so please get registered, it does make a difference.
     
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  6. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    I think that you will find that it is not unlawful - it is subject to a code of conduct rather than law. This was pointed out to me by a cold caller and when I checked I am pretty sure that I found that they were correct.

    TPS is a TOTAL waste of time anyway. I registered years ago - before automated dialling for cold calling. If they withheld their number, you could not report them and with automated diallers........................
     
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  7. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Trouble is, most of my recent scam calls have been from India, pretending to be my internet provider wanting to fix a slow connection so very difficult to prosecute, if if clearly unlawful.
     
  8. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    No, they were bullshitting. It's covered by law, the Privacy and Electronic Communications Regulations 2003 and, not to put too fine a point on it, if you register with TPS, then any unsolicited marketing you get after that is illegal.

    It's your, er, call whether to register obviously. I just have to question why you'd not do something that is dead easy, costs nowt, and can reduce the number of calls you get from reputable companies to zero, pretty much overnight. Then you know that any calls you get after that are, by definition, from scammers. Makes it easier to ignore them.

    https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/nuisance-calls/

    What you're saying, really, is that there's no point taking any action to help yourself, because the bad guys just go round it. So you might as well just leave your car keys in the door, as the bad guys will break in to steal them anyway.
     
  9. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    No, definitely illegal, though obviously virtually impossible to enforce if the number is witheld / from abroad.

    https://www.tpsonline.org.uk/pages/what_is_tps
     
  10. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    As I said - I registered many years ago - probably over 20. If the number of cold calls were to be higher than if unregistered, then, at times, I'd be permanently on the 'phone.
     
  11. Jamie

    Jamie pfm Member

    Or 'ActionFraud'.
     
  12. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    I registered years ago.
    Still get weekly calls asking about my non existent car accident or to tell me my internet is about to be shut down because of illegal activity and there is nothing I can do about either of them.
     
  13. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    As above, this is because all these calls are illegal, and probably criminal. It's like saying 'I pay all this council tax to fund the police, but people still get mugged/burgled'. You can't use a regulatory mechanism to stop criminals who are determined to be criminals. What it does do is send out clear messages to companies that (legitimately) use telemarketing as a business tool, eg lead-generating, that you don't want to receive them. So you can start from the assumption that any calls you do receive are from scammers. As has been said upthread, catching and dealing with these lowlifes is a different matter, but you make it easier to spot them by removing the legit calls, so all that's left is the dodgy stuff, regardless of how convincing it might sound at first.
     
  14. Jamie

    Jamie pfm Member

    Yep, this is true. I just don't answer if I don't recognise the number. Unless I am in a particular mood when I might entertain myself for 5 or 10 minutes, winding up the Microsoft Support caller.
     
  15. Conan

    Conan Loop digger

    I get 2 calls a day (on my work phone) from a company called "Beneficial" telling me that they can help me sorting out my CC debt.
    Everytime I tell them to sod off and take me from their list; I block the number and a couple of hours latter they call me again from a diferent number.
    this has been happening every day since November and I cant get rid of them.
     
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  16. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Incoming call display/recognition costs - I am damned if I am going to pay for something that is of no real use as unless the phone itself had a facility to block unknowns, I certainly wouldn't remember any but VERY few, and countless people call me just once in a while.
     
  17. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Tell them you work for the Fraud Squad. They'll soon vanish.
     
  18. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Use the nuisance call reporting tool on the ICO website https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/nuisance-calls-and-messages/spam-texts-and-nuisance-calls/
     
  19. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

  20. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    I can see that.......
     
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