What finish are they?
Who's Heard the Dutch & Dutch Speakers
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What finish are they?
Musicraft
Trade: Musicraft
Black/Black
s1h1
performing within expectations
That's a shame. The pics you've used in your sales thread was black/natural.
Cereal Killer
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The best option for the D&Ds, IMHO.
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
Indeed.
The seller does not offer overseas delivery, otherwise they would have been long gone.
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
It’s not the delivery, it’s the installation that’s crucial. Especially bearing in mind the eq options available.
Not sure that is actually the reason. Only the seller knows for sure. In any case, why do you assume that a prospective buyer does not know how to handle eq/setup/room placement, etc?
Julf
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Reading the typical "high end" audiophile magazine or forum, I unfortunately find that a reasonable assumption.
Purité Audio
Trade: Purite Audio
Even if a buyer did get ‘stuck’ Martijn ( the 8CS designer) would help them out.
Keith
Strictly Stereo
Trade: Strictly Stereo
@al2002 How do you get here from there?
These speakers have certain features which require some extra equipment and knowledge to use effectively. Anyone can buy the equipment and learn how to use it, but there is no harm in getting some help to shortcut the process. Some people would rather listen to music than fiddle with loudspeaker measurements and parametric EQ filters.
Andrew C!
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Where did I suggest otherwise? I said the installation was crucial. If the buyer has the knowledge to do so, then good on them.
Strictly Stereo, good to hear from you. Yes, we know the 8Cs are very versatile re. setup.
I deleted that section shortly after posting, but for some reason it is still showing up in quotes. It was only partially related to this thread, which is why I deleted it. I intend to start a new thread on that topic when i have a bit of time to spare. It relates to refusal by certain manufacturers (not D&D), distributors , others in the chain to: supply info and parts, useful FR or directivity data, service information, and so on. In many instances simple queries are ignored.
Yes, I am quite familiar with the gear required to set up and optimise speakers as, I'm sure, are many other members of this forum. Many audiophile hobbyists already own and use such gear, perhaps more in the US where I am based than in the UK. In my own circle of acquaintances, almost all have some sort of measurement software and many have calibrated microphones. In my circle we are all from the Baby Boomer generation and getting on in years, perhaps things are different in younger age groups?
Yes, dealer or distributor set up assistance is always welcome, but its absence does not preclude good results.
Andrew C!: I wrote :"The seller does not offer overseas delivery, otherwise they would have been long gone."
to which you replied: "It’s not the delivery, it’s the installation that’s crucial. Especially bearing in mind the eq options available."
Your qualifier "If the buyer has the knowledge to do so, then good on them" was posted later.
to which you replied: "It’s not the delivery, it’s the installation that’s crucial. Especially bearing in mind the eq options available."
Your qualifier "If the buyer has the knowledge to do so, then good on them" was posted later.
Strictly Stereo
Trade: Strictly Stereo
I guess you didn't delete it quickly enough. A copy of your original post landed in my email inbox. I wish that it hadn't, but it did. I work in this industry so obviously I found your comment a bit offensive. I think you're wrong.
On your other point, I assume that we are talking about all manufacturers generally now rather than Dutch & Dutch specifically. That topic really belongs on a different thread, but I suspect that manufacturers don't share measurement data that they do not have, do not like or think is not relevant to the majority of their customers. The reason for their reluctance to supply parts and service manuals to potentially unqualified and uninsured repairers or DIYers should be obvious. It exposes them to massive risk.
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Andrew C!
Been around a while....
Yup. That’s right. My experience of room correction and the calibration measurements isn’t clearly as extensive as yours. I’m not a hifi ‘ hobbyist ‘ in the sense of wanting to tinker with such aspects of equipment set up.
For the cost of these speakers, the installation and after sales support for me is essential and integral to the purchase. I’d go so far as to say I’m not the only one that thinks this way.
Cereal Killer
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