Who's Heard the Dutch & Dutch Speakers

[adamdea]

Maybe the speakers weren't facing the listener, but facing a spot a bit in front of the listener?

I think what KR is saying is that the *positions* of the speakers are such that they form an equilateral triangle with the listener’s seat, but that the speakers are toed in by 45 degrees.

It seems not.
https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/5155-kal-rubinson/?status=667&type=status
(incidentially that would be quite a long way off axis- for speakers 2.5 m apart they'd be crossing nearly a metre in front of you)

 

[Purité Audio]

Crossing in front is a ‘thing’ Grimm recommend it with their LS1s, I have never positioned the 8Cs in that way though.
Keith

 

[adamdea]

Crossing in front is a ‘thing’ Grimm recommend it with their LS1s, I have never positioned the 8Cs in that way though.
Keith

If I remember rightly Grimm had a setting in their control software which you could change if you had that extreme toe in.

 

[poco a poco]

Stereophile has now published its review of the D&D 8c's on its website. Interesting that in the measurements John Atkinson finds that the speaker down sizes all sample rate inputs to 48Khz. Overall though his response to the measurements are "Wow".

https://www.stereophile.com/content/dutch-dutch-8c-active-loudspeaker-system

 

[Andrew C!]

Was listening to some samples on mine yesterday. Portishead - Dummy. Definitely went down...

 

[Nagraboy]

I still might buy a pair of these next year. In my home demo they were the best sound I’ve heard in every way.

 

[Strictly Stereo]

I still might buy a pair of these next year. In my home demo they were the best sound I’ve heard in every way.

How’s your house hunting going? I’m hoping that your new place won’t have such scary stairs.

 

[Nagraboy]

How’s your house hunting going? I’m hoping that your new place won’t have such scary stairs.

Haha yes! The letting agent has been showing people round and some have been a bit surprised by the stairs!

Moving to Nottingham next month though.

 

[al2002]

It seems not.
https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/5155-kal-rubinson/?status=667&type=status
(incidentially that would be quite a long way off axis- for speakers 2.5 m apart they'd be crossing nearly a metre in front of you)

Then it makes no sense. He can’t have a 45 degree equilateral triangle as others have pointed out.

BTW, I do toe in my speakers so that they cross in front of the listening position. This improves image stability for off axis listeners.

 

[Andrew C!]

Mine are very slightly toed in, but not to the extent they cross in front of me in the primary listening position. I don’t think D&D designed them to be toed in that much. Lee from Strictly Stereo would have advice in this regard...

 

[zekezebra]

Martijn from D&D installed mine himself as they are based in Rotterdam. Very slight toe in.

Paul - Rotterdam

 

[Strictly Stereo]

The recommended layout is an equilateral triangle with toe in somewhere between 0 and 30 degrees. This does not change the tone dramatically, as it might with a conventional speaker, but it does affect the balance of direct to reflected sound. The manual covers this in more detail (see page 12).

https://dutchdutch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/8c-Manual-English-web.pdf

 

[tuga]

Can the 8Cs be operated from a Mac using an Ethernet connection (or wi-fi if necessary) to link Mac, NAS and speakers?

 

[Strictly Stereo]

Can the 8Cs be operated from a Mac using an Ethernet connection (or wi-fi if necessary) to link Mac, NAS and speakers?

You can’t stream to them over Ethernet yet. Right now you could use a small and inexpensive Toslink to AES or USB to coax adapter to connect the Mac directly to the speakers. Alternatively, you could connect a streamer to the speakers and control that from the Mac. There are plenty of options. You could store your music on a NAS, on the Mac or in the cloud.

 

[tuga]

You can’t stream to them over Ethernet yet. Right now you could use a small and inexpensive Toslink to AES or USB to coax adapter to connect the Mac directly to the speakers. Alternatively, you could connect a streamer to the speakers and control that from the Mac. There are plenty of options. You could store your music on a NAS, on the Mac or in the cloud.

I currently store my music on a NAS, use the Mac as player/processor, a Cubox as a buffer/endpoint all wired (ethernet). The endpoint connects to the DAC with USB.
Perhaps I could use an adapter to connect the Cubox to the D&Ds.

 

[Strictly Stereo]

Perhaps I could use an adapter to connect the Cubox to the D&Ds.

Perhaps. Or you could swap the Cubox for a Pi with an S/PDIF coax or AES HAT.

 

[Musicraft]

Due to a clients change of mind we have a brand new pair of 8c's available that we can offer at a reduced price. Please call me on my mobile to discuss this further.

 

[Purité Audio]

This could be an interesting box for 8C users,
https://www.vortexbox.co.uk/index.aspx?pageid=6574687
Keith

 

[Musicraft]

Just to add that we our brand new pair of Studio 8c's are now also listed on our Clearance/Special offers list on our site -

http://www.musicraft.co.uk/special-offers/

 

[Andrew C!]

That’s an amazing price!