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Who's Heard the Dutch & Dutch Speakers

Discussion in 'audio' started by zekezebra, Nov 27, 2018.

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  1. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    The 8Cs like the Kiis straddle both domestic and pro audio, margins aren’t bad but nowhere near the ‘audiophile’ stuff, sadly!
    20 Hz flat is pretty reasonable.
    A 10 dB fall from bass to treble is what is usually recommended for an in room target curve.
    Keith
     
  2. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    I may be mistaken, but it looks like these measurements were lifted from Mitch Barnett's review on Computer Audiophile. These are the measurements after adjustment to hit Mitch's preferred target curve. You can have them flat if you prefer or with a gentler or steeper fall off.

    The front baffle is plastic (ABS IIRC).

    The dealer margin is about average, which is to say better than some and worse than others. I have no idea how much Dutch & Dutch makes from each pair sold, but I doubt that it is excessive.
     
  3. Space is the Place

    Space is the Place pfm Member

    Yes that's correct, i've added a credit to the graph. How do they compare to the Kii's?
    I think i read somewhere that these sound more natural. It seems the have a lot in common performance/soundwise with Linkwitz's designs.
     
  4. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    You would need to hear both, ideally in your room compared to your current set-up, then you would really have a valid opinion.
    Keith
     
  5. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    On a desk in a treated room there is little to choose between the Dutch & Dutch 8c and the Kii Three. In a typical untreated living room the Dutch & Dutch 8c definitely has the edge. Unless I am mistaken, you came to have a listen to the Kii Three at our old place in Wigan. We have moved since then and I think we may be a bit closer to you now (Mellor near Stockport). Come and have a listen to the 8c. I would love to know what you make of them.
     
  6. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    To illustrate this point, take a look at the equivalent measurements from Mitch Barnett's review of the Kii Three. So far as I am aware, both sets of measurements were taken in the same lightly treated space with "very unfavourable room ratios". Both speakers were adjusted to match the same target curve. The Kii Three's measurements are excellent, but the Dutch & Dutch 8c is even better and follows the target curve more closely.

    https://www.computeraudiophile.com/ca/reviews/kii-three-loudspeaker-review-r735/

    Here is the complete Dutch & Dutch 8c review for reference.

    https://www.computeraudiophile.com/ca/reviews/dutch-dutch-8c-loudspeaker-review-r739/
     
  7. zekezebra

    zekezebra pfm Member

    Hi Nagraboy - did you pull the trigger on the D&D or is it still a maybe? I would probably go down a similar path to you if I get them - either a Roon Nucleus or build my own version using an Intel NUC and ROCK. At first I would attach them to my Mytek Brooklyn.
     
  8. Nagraboy

    Nagraboy pfm Member

    I’m thinking I’ll get a pair when I move house in September next year, assuming no annoying real-life stuff prevents me! :)
     
  9. Space is the Place

    Space is the Place pfm Member

    Hi Lee, yes i listened to the Kii's in your room with the the parabolic like ceiling as i remember. Yes you are much closer to me now. When i have some time will come over and have a listen.
     
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  10. S-Man

    S-Man Kinkless Tetrode Admirer

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  11. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    So far as I am aware, and contrary to CK's statement, these modules do use a specialised (high speed switching) type of MOSFET.
     
  12. S-Man

    S-Man Kinkless Tetrode Admirer

    Could be GaN or SiC but they are usually FETs anyway.
     
  13. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    If you give Martijn a ring at D&D he might bring a set around to your place or at least put you in touch with the nearest retailer
    Keith
     
  14. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    I do not have a reference handy, but I think they using something called DirectFET. This is a class D-optimised (very fast switching) MOSFET.
     
  15. zekezebra

    zekezebra pfm Member

    Hi Keith - I already spoke to Martijn and he has offered to come to my place and demonstrate the the D&D's as we are both based in Rotterdam. See O.P. :)
     
  16. S-Man

    S-Man Kinkless Tetrode Admirer

    The "Direct" part of the FET relates to the package,...it is a very low inductance package so enables fast and clean switching. There is a MOSFET inside the "DirectFET" package.
     
  17. Strictly Stereo

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  18. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    Say hello from me and remember to give him a nudge about the Roon integration and (if you want one) a breakout box.
     
  19. vln

    vln Shuns mooks. And MQA.

    If it matters, Weiss is about to introduce the DSP501 and DSP502 all-digital versions of their corresponding DACs.

    The DSP versions have only digital outputs (so consequently no headphone output) with a 40bit digital volume control, thus they would be the sort of 'digital' preamplifier that is ideal for these kinds of speakers.
     
  20. SteveH

    SteveH pfm Member

    Do you still stock the Kii3? If not, and your website suggests you don't, then this comes across as a complete shill, irrespective of whether you believe it or not.

    I like having dealers on this site but it grates the nanosecond you start pushing a product you sell over one you do not. To be fair, you are not the only one guilty of this. Better by far to praise your own products without direct reference to your competitors. The rest of us can (and should) do that because we don't have to sell hi-fi to pay the mortgage.

    For what it's worth, I was told the complete opposite, unsurprisingly, by a dealer who sold the Kii and not D&D. And vice versa. The only sensible thing to do is to hear both.
    For what it's worth, when I was shopping for these over a year ago, I was told that the 8c would be Roon Ready in a matter of weeks. Still waiting.
    I have no doubt they are superb speakers and will hear them myself in the near future.
     
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