jackbarron
Chelsea, London
They are the last people we should trust. It is down to all of us to take action.
Jack
Way to go Greta
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They are the last people we should trust. It is down to all of us to take action.
Jack
Lee T
pfm Member
Putting blame on governments is the easy way out. We are all culpable for climate change, we have all invested in the way we ravage the planet & as Stephen suggested a little earlier, relying on a 16 year old girl to sort out this problem is a little silly.
Governments need to take heed of Greta's involvement & act. Jack suggesting we all need to sort this is a little naïve IMO. Ultimately Only governments have the power to make changes.
All we can do is keep the pressure on as many are doing right now, the public & the scientific community can only take this so far. It needs the whole planet involved too if it's going to have an effect, not just small countries such as the UK & around Europe.
We can set an example but unless other larger country's get involved it will be a futile exercise.
Unless the whole planet is willing to make wholesale changes to their lifestyles then it's far too late.
russel
./_dazed_and_confused
Maybe if New York gets flattened by a hurricane, it’s buildings are not hurricane proof, or a catastrophe of that level then that would focus minds, otherwise we have to hope someone makes a breakthrough with fusion.
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
dont be naive, such announcements are pure politics - without immediate action
We need actions, and not from small insignificant nations. We need action from China, Russia, India, Indonesia and Brazil - then something might happen
has it? if that's your conclusion, then I can stop taking the action I take now.
Still
he said his naim was ralph
Don't be a cockalorum.
Greta has made a significant difference, and no doubt will be doing much more of the same.
It is for those who dismiss Greta to suck it up.
I cordially suggest you try to not ignorantly talk down Greta.
Lee T
pfm Member
I don't feel anyone here is ignorantly talking down Greta but instead are looking at things realistically. Her actions have opened eyes right now, how her involvement will affect how governments act in the coming years is not yet known. You have to live in the real world & accept that many will not be willing to change anything about their lives unless forced to do so & again this then comes down to government policy etc..
Greta is 16, know one here can predict what she might be doing in 1 years time never mind 20 so to put all of this on her young shoulders is very naïve & foolish.
She will not stop climate change, she can, right now make the most of her popularity & attempt to affect governments around the planet but let's not get carried away here.
Still
he said his naim was ralph
No one knows what the future holds, so 100% platitude.
Yet she not only seems to be fine, but is in fact flourishing.
istm foolish and hyperbolic to suggest "all of this" is "on her young shoulders" as this simply isn't the situation.
In the real World the action of individuals can lead to change in government policy.
Hence the UK, Ireland, Canada and France have all declared climate emergencies.
Greta is making a significant difference.
No one is claiming she's going to stop climate change single handed! Who's getting carried away?
A puzzle that those who appear to be concerned about climate change aren't down with Greta.
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Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Precisely because she is 16, she has gained attention worldwide. Also, she is a role model to her generation which, let’s face it, is going to be the one tasked with clearing up this mess. Her generation will listen, particularly because she isn’t some pompous old fart pontificating from a position gained at great expense to the environment.
Lee T
pfm Member
I have said nothing to degrade her achievements on this thread so why the angst.
I did say this " Governments need to take heed of Greta's involvement & act"
You feeling governments have caused climate change tells me where you stand on this. You, me & everyone on this thread have benefitted from the destruction, not nice I know but true.
Still
he said his naim was ralph
stet
Have you ever been actively involved in grass roots political campaigning?
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
It tells you nothing, because when it comes to my posts, you have a comprehension problem. Possibly my failure in not being clear enough, but you do seem to specialise in misunderstanding my posts.
I have not said ‘governments have caused climate change’. I have said that governments have failed to deal with it. Not the same at all, and if you can’t tell the difference, sorry, not my problem.
Cheese
Bitter lover
The government is therefore to blame in the end. Or did I misunderstand it too ?
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Raga’s point was that people were to blame.
Still
he said his naim was ralph
yes
Cheese
Bitter lover
Which I happen to think too, people are responsible at least partly. An idea you apparently do not agree with.
No matter how I turn things, I always come to the conclusion that your point is that the government is, in the end, at fault. I guess what remains of my brain is wrongly polarized.
In fact, it is wrongly polarized to the extent that I do indeed think that in most matters (not only environmental), we are to blame. MPs can - at best - provide adequate conditions, but doing the job is up to us.
Lee T
pfm Member
Do you not feel partly responsible, being part of the human race which has caused us to get to this critical point.
We are all responsible.
Over ever growing need for more is what drives climate change. Governments may have the power to act but who would vote for them or who would have over the decades. I'm sorry but you cannot rinse yourself of blame.
Lee T
pfm Member
Having concern for Greta's mental health issues while dealing with the task of attempting to change the mindset of the governments around the world is not a sin. She has done a good job of bringing this issue to the youth & is being taken notice of mainly down to the fact she is 16 & seems to have more passion & interest in this subject than many of the governments around the world but it now has to become a world issue, not a celebrity issue.
I do feel her recent suggestions do fall in line with her mental health issues as I said at the beginning. You don't, you know she's fine & capable of dealing with anything thrown at her, which is your prerogative, we disagree, it's a forum, it happens.
Lee T
pfm Member
But omitting the fact that it's us who vote them in & us who bask in the luxury of living in the modern world, does suggest this.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Drivel. Sorry.
Lee T
pfm Member
How have the human race impacted climate change?
What have governments not acted upon?
Do you drive, lived off fossil fuels, benefited from nuclear energy.
You exist because of the industrial revolution.
You must believe you are immune from such luxury if you believe you have not contributed.