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Verve Acoustic Sounds Series Reissues

Discussion in 'music' started by poco a poco, Sep 1, 2020.

  1. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    My copy of Night Train has just been despatched so they're out there in the wild now!
     
  2. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

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  3. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The cheapest VG+/VG+ grade US original of Karma on Discogs is $125, if you want NM/NM then you are up to €250, so folk will certainly pay good money for this stuff.
     
  4. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    As I say - I hope I’m wrong and that next year’s celebration from him will be an Archie Shepp box set - Round Trip Style. Amen.
     
  5. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    So shall we get some kind of petition and global campaign started for Acoustic Sounds to do all the late Coltrane? For me, it's starting with Meditations ... this masterpiece really needs an audiophile reissue.
     
  6. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Agreed. I’d love a good vinyl copy of Meditations. I’ve got that one on CD and in fairness it does sound superb.
     
  7. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    If there's any budding Record Company entrepreneurs here get in touch. I've got the contacts but not the inclination!
     
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  8. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    They've done the usual great job on Night Train. Unfortunately my copy is far from quiet and has a small warp plus light surface scratches. More like shabby RTI QC than what I've seen from QRP so far...
     
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  9. kjb

    kjb Losing my edge

    I was reading about Tum records in Finland a few weeks ago. They are almost completely run by volunteers. I was wondering at the time if we had the right set of skills in pfm to launch a record label.

    TUM Records
     
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  10. kjb

    kjb Losing my edge

    Thanks to this thread I am now the proud owner of a copy of Kharma, bought today from Truck in Oxford. :cool:
     
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  11. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    I'm sure it could be possible but it's a lot of work and it would need investment.
     
  12. hockman

    hockman pfm Member

    You guys are surely kidding when you want Kassem to reissue late Coltrane, Shepp etc!

    Don't hold your breath on many more challenging jazz records from Acoustic Sounds. Kassem is very calculating and will only put out titles that audiophiles are likely to buy. Personally, I can't be bothered. Better, more obscure titles can be found from other reissue labels.
     
  13. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    In my case - very much tongue in cheek. It ain't going to happen - not with Kassem. As I said earlier - Karma being significantly discounted by Juno, so hardly flying off the shelves. Ornette TP box down to about £140 in some places - looks like audiophiles don't really like this stuff.
     
  14. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Time for a £20 Impulse Classics series!

    (so long as we still get the gatefold sleeves)
     
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  15. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    TBH a lot of small labels putting out more left-field music are effectively volunteer-run. Simply breaking even and not having boxes of unsold product under the bed is often the objective.
     
  16. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    I recently visited a parralell universe called ASU (Aesthetic Socalist Utopia). I visited many vinyl pressing plants and in one of them Kad Chassem had his mastering engineers finishing off a 'pioneers of the avant-garde' series. I was particularly excited that all the post '65 Coltranes and every album Cecil Taylor did with Jimmy Lyons were forthcoming this year. It was state funded so Chassem wasn't concerned about producing the same old 'nice' jazz that hi-fi dealers used to show off their equipment.

    We just need to force this parralell universe to coincide with ours.
     
  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I suspect it is a huge mistake to think of the later periods of Impulse free and spiritual jazz to be as confusing or inaccessible to young ears the way it was to many of our generation. This music has now been fully absorbed into so many genres over the past decades in just the same way Stockhausen, Cage, Riley, Reich, Glass etc have been in everything from film music to club culture. If one views the recent rebirth of jazz by young musicians, e.g. the current scenes in London, New York etc, they are clearly hugely influenced by Alice Coltrane, Pharoah Sanders, late-period Coltrane, Albert Ayler etc. This stuff runs through it just as strongly as the ‘70s soul-jazz/funk groove thing (electric Miles, CTI, George Duke etc). I’m sure there is a market for this stuff now. Anyone who likes Shabaka Hutchings, Makaya McCraven, Kamasi Washington etc will feel right at home with Sanders, Alice, electric Miles etc. I’m convinced this stuff is ‘now’ in the same way my generation mined the Velvet Underground, Stockhausen, early Krautrock etc for inspiration.
     
  18. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    I think you're absolutely right Tony. But I don't think Chad is marketing his product to 'young ears'.
     
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  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I have a feeling he is testing the water. Mingus Black Saint And The Sinner Lady was a success, as was A Love Supreme, which despite its legendary status is hardly easy-listening. Karma and Journey continue this trajectory, as does the Roy Haynes. I think they’ll do all right and hopefully open the door to some Archie Shepp, more Sanders and later Coltrane. Another thing to factor is if Chad is really blinkered to audiophile market only he’ll surely hit the wall by endlessly reissuing the same albums that have already been done many times on audiophile labels previously. As an example I have zero interest in the Billie Holiday as I have the Classic Records cut he’s reusing the metalwork from. It sold pretty well so many others will have it too.

    If Chad was to stick Fire Music, Thembi, Black Unity, Meditations or Interstellar Space out he’d clean-up all the audiophile interest in those titles as (to my knowledge) they have never been done at this level before in this marketplace. A lot of this stuff also dates from the period in the run-up to the oil crisis too so US vinyl quality (which was never the best) was dropping, so it should be pretty easy to beat the already crazy rare and expensive original copies. The Japanese jazz fans got this stuff so there are nice Japanese copies floating around (most of my late-period Coltrane vinyl is Japanese), but they are still rare and expensive now, and you have to import it. There’s a market for this music, even from audiophiles (and we are all a subset), I’m convinced of that.

    PS Sun Ra is an obvious choice too. I bet a nice copy of Space Is The Place would sell really well.
     
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator



    As a bit of a thread diversion it is interesting seeing Chad go through his collection of Alto Analogue reissues. It does reveal a little more about his taste which looks to extend way into classical. He did nod approvingly at the early Archie Shepp on Alto though.

    PS I’ve got one Alto he hasn’t, Jimmy Witherspoon’s Blue Spoon! Rest of mine are the two on Impulse, the John Lee Hooker and Coltrane’s Afro Blue, I actually found the latter sealed in the wild for a tenner, the rest I bought new at the time. These are very good sounding records IMO.
     

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