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Verve Acoustic Sounds Series Reissues

Discussion in 'music' started by poco a poco, Sep 1, 2020.

  1. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    Picked my copy up today, haven’t had a chance to play it yet though.
     
  2. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    The latest post on LJC has an interesting comparison about the quality of Japanese pressings with a link from it to an Ana(Dia)log YouTube video (scroll down to it) which makes a comparison of Herbie Hancock’s Head Hunters Album versions from Japan and Analogue Productions 33/3 version with particular to frequency balance and noise.
    https://londonjazzcollector.wordpre...-muses-for-richard-davis-1969-mps-jp-tp-1974/
    I wouldn’t want to read too much in to it as it is only one record and a larger sampling of different records and Audiophile and Japanese companies for both mastering and pressing plants used is really required.
    Edited for couple of missing words.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2022 at 12:26 PM
  3. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Interesting, I’ll watch that later. Headhunters is an album I’d really like a good copy of. I’ve only got digital (the Complete Columbia Albums and an SACD). and it always sounds very compressed to me. I’d love to hear the original US Columbia vinyl pressing just to hear what mastering choices were made at the time.
     
  4. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I have the Columbia Legacy CD and I'd agree with that. Two of the tracks are heavily compressed - Chameleon and Sly from memory, the other two are not that much better. I'd be very interested to know how the early vinyl sounds but it might not be much better. The Columbia Cds are not usually like this!
     
  5. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    Yes pity he did not have an original to compare with as well as this would be more interesting. I expect the recording is compressed, but difficult to know definitively even with an original pressing as it was pressed at many different pressing plants (presumably from copy tapes) even in the US.
     
  6. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Do you know why LJC describes a rolled-off high end as characteristic of a digital master? I'm not sure I understand.
     
  7. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    I’m not sure what he means either. For clarity what he says is:
    “Secondly, the two pressing have broadly similar histograms until they reach the upper frequencies, where they part company. The Japanese pressing begins reducing the relative volume of higher frequencies from 10kHz, with little beyond 20kHz. That smells of a CD profile. Could it have been a characteristic of the Japanese audiophile source – a digital file for mastering CDs? Japanese engineers have rolled off the top-end highest frequencies, which are much stronger on the Analogue Productions issue (presumably on the original tapes)“.

    I assume he means if Japanese engineers cut from a digital source for a vinyl master they then roll off the high frequencies to reduce potential digital artefacts (possibly from the brick-wall filtering) not that CD’s sound like that. In general my experience is the opposite in that actual CD’s sound brighter or edgier and why I still prefer LP’s. Good mastering engineers like Kevin Gray seem to be able to get the best out from even a digital source when mastering. Perhaps they learnt it from the Japanese? ;)
     
  8. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Yes, that's largely my experience too. Though I think there are enough differences in frequency response and presentation between cartridges (and I guess phono stages) that direct comparisons between CD and vinyl masters isn't an exact science.

    Your comment about Kevin Gray makes me suspect the mastering engineer is in fact the most important component. ;-)
     
  9. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    I have found it quite difficult even to match volume with very a good sound level meter between Vinyl and CD’s to carry out fair comparisons and my pre amp has both input and output level controls as well as the volume control for each source. I don’t usually have much of a problem with different vinyl pressings though so it must be mainly down to the overall frequency profile (including that from cartridge and phono stage).

    Re. mastering I was saying the same here a couple of pages back. ;)
     
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  10. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    You are not alone - I don’t think LJC does either.
     
  11. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I think just about all of my Japanese pressings are 1970s to early 80s. I have a couple earlier ones but very few later. I consistently like them. When I said they were often ‘bright’ I suspect I chose the wrong word. If I was to stereotype the treble tends to be very open, alive and dynamic. It is this I’m trying to articulate and I really like it. The recent comparison I did between the AS Blues And The Abstract Truth and my green-label Japanese copy really emphasised this, the snare, kit metalwork and brass are just way more dynamic and alive, the AS sounding lovely, but restrained and warm in comparison. I’d take the Japanese copy all day long, it is just more to my taste, though the AS is very nice too.
     
  12. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    I have just found LJC’s updated on (24th December 21) full article on CD v Vinyl from where he has taken the section I posted about above. It does clarify his overall thinking a bit, but perhaps not by that much. He still claims vinyl is beats CD 90 - 95% of the time, but complains about most modern vinyl, but has good things now to say about some Audiophile reissues (Blue Note Tone Poet, Music Matters Jazz 33, Vinyl Classics Series, some Pure Pleasure). Some of that we had picked up on here before as a revision of his previous views. I remember he did not have much respect for Music Matters in the past and it would be interesting know which Pure Pleasures as some of these are not AAA.

    https://londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/for-audiophiles/cd-or-vinyl/

    Scroll down to the comments as well where he says best CD system I have heard was Peter Qvortup’s home system, simply OMG!
     
  13. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    I think his gripe with the earlier MM catalogue was that they were 45 rpm - I don’t recall him ever having reviewed any (correct me if I’m wrong). His loss, our gain - as you very well know.
     

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