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Vast Brexit thread merge part IV

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Not something I usually do much of but I’ve been thinking. What if Boris called together his legal advisers and said to them “what happens if I don’t send this letter?”

And what if he was told that the worse that could happen is that the court would send the letter.

That not only gets him off the ‘dead in a ditch’ hook but will play well with his supporters.

That’s enough thinking for one day
 
HarryB said:
Not something I usually do much of but I’ve been thinking. What if Boris called together his legal advisers and said to them “what happens if I don’t send this letter?”

And what if he was told that the worse that could happen is that the court would send the letter.

That not only gets him off the ‘dead in a ditch’ hook but will play well with his supporters.

That’s enough thinking for one day
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I think it's the contempt of court he needs to worry about in that situation - he wouldn't get any blond American lap dancers where he'd be heading
 
deanf said:
Is there anything stopping Johnson sending the letter today and then retracting it tomorrow?
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No he can't do that he has to send the letter per the exact terms of the Benact if he tries to circumvent the court of Session ruling he'll be in contempt of court and the court can send the letter and has the mandate to do so.
 
Would you please now finally leave ffs!?

PS: Imagine what could habe been done in these three wasted years that got us absolutely no where on both sides of the channel.

PPS: Could we continentals have a referendum to simply kick you out?
 
Seanm said:
"Whoever they are".

I think it matters who. Johnson's support is not coming from lexiters or from the left in general. It's coming from the right of the party. These are all people who've been indulged and boosted by the liberal press because they provided endless headlines about Labour splits; people who the left have tried to censure only to be met with handwringing about Stalinist purges, Momentum thuggery etc.

It's inevitable that whatever happens Labour's going to get the blame. But what you're basically saying is "Any decent leader would have dealt properly with the idiot faction that I myself supported!" and it's just a bit much.

Is there any chance of a bit of self-reflection on the part of remainers, I wonder. Any chance that they might look at the Labour moderates and honourable Tories gearing up to vote for Johnson's deal and say, "Maybe we were wrong to indulge these incompetent blowhards. Maybe we should have been focusing critical attention on them, instead of Seumus Milne."

No way!

Labour dun Brexit!

Boooooo!
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Is there any chance that 'hard' supporters of Corbyn could have some self reflection also? I do think a better leader would be doing a better job in opposition.
 
Just watched another utterly depressing vox pop on BBC local news. The good folk of SunLun (it’s how they say Sunderland) gave their usual well considered and intelligent opinions on Brexit.

Gerrit dun, we just wanna leave etc etc etc. Wait a short while when the thick bastards are bleating about the Nissan plant closing. The consequences to the local economy of that happening are catastrophic - and I’m not exaggerating. WTF is wrong with these people?
 
HarryB said:
Not something I usually do much of but I’ve been thinking. What if Boris called together his legal advisers and said to them “what happens if I don’t send this letter?”

And what if he was told that the worse that could happen is that the court would send the letter.

That not only gets him off the ‘dead in a ditch’ hook but will play well with his supporters.

That’s enough thinking for one day
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I suspect that's what the calculation might be - "I said that I wouldn't send the letter and I didn't, the court did... enemies of the people..."

Alternatively, he might send the letter at the last minute, pointing out that he was forced to by the remainer parliament, under 'threat' from the court... enemies of the people...

Election narrative win-win.
 
Woodface said:
Is there any chance that 'hard' supporters of Corbyn could have some self reflection also? I do think a better leader would be doing a better job in opposition.
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I’m a Labour member and I’ve never met anyone I’d put as a “hard” Corbyn supporter.

Most are the same as me. He has his faults but he’s honest and his integrity has been tested over baby years. His beliefs are sound, he’s a proper socialist and his last manifesto was the best I’ve seen in my lifetime.
 
HarryB said:
I’m a Labour member and I’ve never met anyone I’d put as a “hard” Corbyn supporter.

Most are the same as me. He has his faults but he’s honest and his integrity has been tested over baby years. His beliefs are sound, he’s a proper socialist and his last manifesto was the best I’ve seen in my lifetime.
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He has to appeal to the wider electorate, I just find the whole 'how dare you criticise JC' rhetoric rather tedious. I will almost certainly vote Labour at the next election unless I am forced to vote tactically for LDs
 
HarryB said:
Broken Britain took another turn for the worse today with a footy match being abandoned after players walked off the pitch because of racist abuse. Very nearly the same at Hartlepool United game a few weeks ago.

These people are Johnson’s target audience.
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Clap trap and you know it. Conflating the two subjects is a classic journalistic trick which might work with your usual readership/noshers but not here so why not do us all a favour and sling your hook now before you get barred
again.

Red Rose
 
twotone said:
No he can't do that he has to send the letter per the exact terms of the Benact if he tries to circumvent the court of Session ruling he'll be in contempt of court and the court can send the letter and has the mandate to do so.
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Well, it's never been done before, it'd be interesting to see just how far the Court is prepared to go
 
topa said:
Would you please now finally leave ffs!?

PS: Imagine what could habe been done in these three wasted years that got us absolutely no where on both sides of the channel.

PPS: Could we continentals have a referendum to simply kick you out?
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Part of the Boris Johnson strategy to become Prime Minister was to not only set up a false Brexit referendum campaign based on lies but to attempt to create divisions between Britain and Europe. He has used offensive, defamatory language toward Europe and you have to know the vast majority in Britain do not share his poisonous views toward Europe.
 
There's two important points about the Letwin amendment:-

1. Letwin is a Tory, who said that Johnson's deal is excellent, and he will vote for it at every stage.
2. See point 1.

I fear that everything that the Tories are doing is electioneering, and every 'roadblock' plays into their hands.
 
gavreid said:
Well, it's never been done before, it'd be interesting to see just how far the Court is prepared to go
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Sarah Smith, on BBC News, laid it out pretty clearly, if he doesn't send the letter tonight then he's in contempt of court and the court will either compel him to send the letter or will send it and have the letter signed by an official or even the clerk of the court, The Court of Session has the mandate to send the letter.
 
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