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Vast Brexit thread merge part IV

Discussion in 'off topic' started by TheDecameron, Oct 11, 2019.

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  1. Steven Toy

    Steven Toy L3 Toy

    My opening post was very carefully worded. What you have basically done is refuse to answer the question. You are basically Dominic Cummings:

    You refuse to state your position or have a plan and that way we can keep all the Brexit factions on side.

    Given your last statement regarding France and Gernany I would say the closest match to your position would be 1. It is for you to elaborate on that if you dare.
  2. Steven Toy

    Steven Toy L3 Toy

    Your post makes me sad but strangely enough I feel the same.
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  3. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    ...which would be a good opportunity to explain where you differ, ie try to define your position. It’s a bit dumb to say ‘nobody understands me’ if you don’t make at least an effort to help them to understand.
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  4. SteveT

    SteveT Guest

    How puerile. John Bercow and his family probably will get highly paid jobs in the EU just like Neil Kinnock and his wife.
  5. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Yes very strange how organisations tend to employ people with relevent experience and profile.
  6. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Your point being?

    Bloke who believes in an institution goes to work for said institution. Gosh, what an outrage that would be!
  7. thebigfredc

    thebigfredc pfm Member

    I am sure David Cameron tried this approach as a way of bolstering the argument for Remain prior to the referendum campaign - and he got nowhere.

    The numerous structures and Presidents/Vice-pressidents of the EU are only interested in pushing the project in a Federalist direction.

  8. thebigfredc

    thebigfredc pfm Member

    As I stated in your other dull thread, I knew this was going to be your agenda.
  9. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    I’ve come to believe that a significant part of the UK’s concerns derive not from principled objections but from our long-ingrained insularity. We are an island nation; I hadn’t appreciated just how deep this runs in the national psyche.
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  10. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    It’s the quid pro quo for Bercow’s betrayal innit?!
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  11. thebigfredc

    thebigfredc pfm Member

    Calling all rabid Remainers.

    Come on you know who you are.

    Hypothetical scenario type question for you:

    1. EU/UK government reach an agreement. 2. UK Parliament ratifies it. UK leaves EU on 31 Oct. Medical/food supplies remain plentiful. 4. jaguar/Nissan don't go bust or up-sticks. 5. Bog paper freely available to those who wish to purchase it. 6. Johnson wins GE with a majority of 50.

    How do you respond/what do you do next?

    Raymond F
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  12. awkwardbydesign

    awkwardbydesign Officially Awesome

    As I said, the danger of assuming. But of course, putting another in a box makes it easy to ignore them. I have elaborated in the past, but see no point in repeating it.
    BTW, I don't know who Dominic Cummings is!
  13. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Ideally I would be 8 & remain would have won in the referendum. As it stands I vascilate between revoke & let's just get some kind of deal so we can move on & cope with the new reality. Uncertainty is actually worse for the economy than accepting a deal.

    I am not in favour of a 2nd referendum, I fear leave would win again with an increased majority.
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  14. Steven Toy

    Steven Toy L3 Toy

    What do you see my agenda as being?

    My agenda is to find some common ground here, and see the shades of grey between the black and the white.

    I have taken this approach with my elderly parents who are leavers and have succeeded in healing rifts between them on the one side/generation divide and myself/my wife/my sister/my brother-in-law on the other.

    The penny dropped with my Dad and I saw a wave of relief appear on his face when I asked him if he thought only the British in Europe were concerned about the prospect of North Africa and the Middle East emptying their entire populations into our continent.

    I know his position. It is somewhere between 5 and 7 with some elements of 9 (ID and registration for all citizens) thrown in.

    My father-in-law's position is nearer 2 and he had my wife in tears at the prospect of her losing her career. He told her just to get another job.
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  15. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Hat and Beard member

    Easy! Cash in my £1 accumulator on all of the above and buy an island in the Seychelles.
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  16. roman

    roman pfm Member

    Absolutely this, but I would add that it's not just about difference/distance but the delusions of exceptionalism and superiority.
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  17. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Come round.
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  18. roman

    roman pfm Member

    On your last point, most polls suggest otherwise, hence the government's desire for an election which would probably favour them.
  19. thebigfredc

    thebigfredc pfm Member

    Bloody hell Steven, do you have to tell us all about the inner-workings of your family.

    If an agreement is struck over the next week or so, then lets hope Mrs Toy can carry on with her gainful employment.

    Please report back any deviations from her chosen path because, I, for one, am awaiting with a clenched colon in anticipation.

  20. HairyHaggis

    HairyHaggis <((((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸.•´¯`•...¸><((((º>¸.

    makes you wonder what the rest of the tories get up to when they leave parliament, dunnit?
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