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Ukraine V

Discussion in 'off topic' started by DimitryZ, Jun 29, 2022.

  1. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    Don't you think that this has already happened? Putin has comprehensively trashed his country's reputation. Everyone knows his army is rubbish. He has lost a huge proportion of his armour. He can't make smart weapons because he can't get the chips. He has forced the formidable militaries of Finland and Sweden into NATO, and has united NATO instead of dividing it. In short, the whole thing is a self-inflicted catastrophe, which he, poor guy, is apparently unable to see. One wonders if, like Hitler, he has chosen to inhabit hios very own fantasy world, and nobody who doesn't want to see the inside of the Lubyanka or have an unfortunate encounter with an elevated window will tell him.
     
  2. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    NATO - and NATO now knows that it is facing a Potemkin army.
     
  3. Craig B

    Craig B Re:trophile

    I call dibs on Medvedev's CD player!
     
  4. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Politicians know everything is global now in news, he’ll be playing to a British audience and a domestic one. The contortions coming out of the Kremlin are breathtaking. They never invaded Ukraine, Ukraine attacked them, the West doesn’t recognise Russia’s right to exist etc.

    When you couple this with their blatant acts of state terrorism ( novichock and radioactive poisons on British soil), it paints a worrying picture.
     
  5. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    The story’s going to a black flag special- pipeline sabotaging by US submarine on Biden’s orders. US hegemony over Europe bla bla
     
  6. gints

    gints pfm Member

    Putin on holiday, scuba diving.
     
  7. matt j

    matt j pfm Member

    Are there any ancient submerged cathedrals down there, maybe it was a sightseeing trip?
     
  8. Plink

    Plink pfm Member

    He did seem like a decent guy. Wonder how old he is. If he hasn’t already escaped and isn’t old or privileged, he will have some tough times as Russia announced they are placing mobilisation centers at the borders.
     
  9. Richard Lines

    Richard Lines pfm Member

    It isn't an easy area to be operating a submarine and remain undetected and the ways out are quite limited and ought to be easily monitored so I personally have doubts.

    I'm not sure how deep the water is at the points of damage but I imagine it is diveable? Given a vessel with a half decent DP capability and a survey package and a winch with a transponder you could place charges pretty accurately and it could have been done yesterday or a week ago or more?

    Regards

    Richard
     
  10. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    Spoiled ballots.
     
  11. Craig B

    Craig B Re:trophile

    Could have been a designed in feature of the pipeline, for all we know.
     
  12. kensalriser

    kensalriser pfm Member

    Aren't you just swallowing the propaganda here? The occupied territories are not within the russian federation just because russia says so. That is patently absurd.
     
  13. Richard Lines

    Richard Lines pfm Member

    Very unlikely as the Castoro Sei would have been laying the pipe in a near continuous process with all manner of ongoing QA.

    The locations of all pipelines/ cables are very accurately charted and it has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum attacking them is actually pretty easy should you choose to do so.

    How vulnerable they are has just been made plainly evident. This action is pretty close to a declaration of war IMHO. It certainly wouldn't take very long with an ROV to determine what happened. Fixing the damage won't be done overnight - not that there is any gas available at the moment............

    Regards

    Richard
     
  14. Bjork67

    Bjork67 pfm Member

    After some of the shite dmitri or watever the russian chap was on about i hope the twats dead after wat ive seen.
     
  15. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans

    You did see my use of the word "bogus" in relation to the results, didn't you? :)

    My point is that even if the rest of the World see the elections as illegitimate, Russia believes it has set the scene to justify threatening to behave as if it was defending home turf. That carries a stronger threat of a nuclear response and they are hoping that has an effect of putting in check Ukrainian advances into those territories. Whether it works as a deterrent or emboldens Russian forces to go further, only rime will tell. The idea that these elections changes nothing is wrong, IMHO.
     
  16. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Big country though. Lots of border to maintain. Most of the Estonian border is water.
     
  17. Gingerbeard

    Gingerbeard Ayup Me Duck

    Indeed, similar to that of the extraordinary bravery the Iranian women are currently showing
     
    Nick_G, sideshowbob and wacko like this.
  18. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    ….it was you, wasn’t it?
     
  19. Craig B

    Craig B Re:trophile

    I was just taking the piss, Richard.
     
  20. Alex S

    Alex S carbon based lifeform

    We can pontificate as much as we like. Zelenskyy understands the ethnicity of various regions, the true level of real Western support in war and in peace, the deaths of his people relative to where his borders are or should be. Its his call. I suspect that whatever you and I think, the West will not contemplate Armageddon for the sake of Ukraine. In that sense Russia, however evil Putin may be, is not as dumb as people make out.

    As I said before, China is best placed to stop this but will they?
     

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