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Ukraine IV

Discussion in 'off topic' started by -alan-, Apr 13, 2022.

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  1. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Would that be ‘Mr. Artist Nazi Jew President’? One of your TV hostesses, Olga Skabeeva, explained the ‘special operation’ was taking longer than expected because a far larger proportion of the Ukrainian population were Nazis or Nazi sympathisers than first thought and they would all have to be dealt with.
     
  2. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    It's as close to genocide as they can practically get. Their self-pittying rage has to be satisfied with inflicting as much lasting damage as possible, since the original plan of erasing the Ukrainian nation from history got short funded.
     
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    Why this clowning?
     
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    Sure. Bye.
     
  5. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    Did you get a job after your Ukrainian employer closed shop?
     
  6. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    The other star of Russian TV is the fabulously rich Margarita Simonyan. She noted that Ukranian form of Nazism is even more dangerous - because it lacks a Fhurer and a clear racial ideology - it's "diffuse" and can target anyone.

    It's quite remarkable, actually.

    And in a fitting epilogue, Belorussia banned 1984.
     
  7. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    Be nice.

    But a question of common language is an interesting one.

    When Ukranians speak in interviews they constantly bring up a topic of freedom. Many times, they proclaim themselves to be free people, with evident pride. They speak a language that is universally and instantly recognized by free people everywhere.

    Russians, on the other hand, NEVER say anything about their own freedom. They express war support through the exact words they hear from Skabeeva, Soloviov and Simonyan. Some say "no comment" or "I am apolitical" while looking down or away. It's a polulation that speaks the language of propaganda or fear. A truly unfree people.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2022
  8. john.luckins

    john.luckins pfm Member

    Many Russian people need and want to believe their state propaganda. Addressing or even accepting the actual truth condemns them to guilt and shame for what is being done to their Slavic cousins in their name. Perhaps that is why dmitre is so actively in denial of the truth this evening. It is becoming difficult to reconcile the facts with his beliefs.

    The label Nazi needs to be properly defined here. It is basically just a label for anyone the Russian State doesn't like. If you don't do a good job here on PFM, dmitre, you'll be a considered a Nazi soon as well and be off to a Gulag for re-education for example. You may well meet some Ukrainian Civilians from the Donbass when you get there if they can survive that long by the way.

    No matter what way you look at this "Special Military Operation", it always ends up as very bad news for the future of Russia. Militarily it was fatally flawed in its conception and implementation. The sooner they back out of Ukraine the better for everyone. I hope Putin's illness is indeed both terminal and swift for everyone's sake. He knows he is finished if his losses are perceived as the leadership failures that they truly are so he will never back down.

    John
     
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  9. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Surely 'genociding'?
     
  10. NeilR

    NeilR pfm Member

    don’t let the door smack you on the arse on your way out.
     
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  11. anubisgrau

    anubisgrau pfm Member


    bravo, you killed the russian! very brave of you.
     
  12. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    One down one to go.
     
  13. tomek

    tomek pfm Member

    Русский военный корабль, иди нахуй
     
  14. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    How will Russia ever get a fair hearing?
     
  15. LecsonQuad

    LecsonQuad pfm Member

    'How will Russia ever get a fair hearing?'

    Almost impossible to tell but what is important is to separate the Russian state under Putin from the Russian people. Putin's world must be shut down and the Russian people need to be welcomed into the Western world before they revert to another dictatorship.
    And then there is the rebuilding of Ukraine and dealing with the Russian miltary ....
    I expect that when there is a chance for the above to be sorted out the short termism of our politicians will screw it up.
     
  16. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    I'm old, so also continue to use usenet. My reaction to emitre@noweheremuch is formed by that to some extent, I guess.

    With initial postings it may seem reasonable to reply/respond. However as the mount up...

    Don't feed the trolls. It simply wastes time and effort and prevents discovery and discussion of real info and understanding.
     
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  17. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    Alas, yes. Plus their blind devotion to a narrow form economics that doesn't even work well *here*, let alone the way it aided paving the way for Putin and his Pals gaining control in Russia.
     
  18. Joe P

    Joe P Memory Alpha incarnate / mod

    Earlier this week I was asked to take photos of eight Ukrainian students who will be starting grad school at the university where I work. They’re here as part of an academic humanitarian program and the first third of the 24 students who will be arriving at the university over May.

    A very humbling yet distressing experience to see them. The students were grateful for the opportunity, relieved to be in a safe haven, but utterly shattered because of the loss they experienced and the family and friends they left behind. Though distant, the war seemed much closer to me.

    Joe
     
  19. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    What drugs does President Assassin take?
     
  20. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    A mural being painted in Kyiv of the Madonna cradling a rocket launcher.

    On the one hand I can understand the sentiment. On the other if this was being painted in Moscow I dare say many in the West would find the militarisation of religious iconography peculiar, or even sacrilegious.

    [​IMG]
     
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