UKIP!

[Daniel Quinn]

Chaps

I think the political spectrum is now looking quite healthy.

The Tories are still broadly Thatcherite, a bit euro sceptic and very very sensible in their approach.

Nulab is broadly similar, so the real choice is Cameron or Milliband, the current modus operandi will continue no matter who wins the election.

UKIP could easily become the third party because they at least stand for something unlike the LibDems who don't seem to know their head from their arse and all they seem good at is being a political bum bitch and they will do anything for anyone just to survive.

The only losers are the lefties, they can make all the racket they want but no one is listening to them and they seem to be without influence and representation.

Overall, one is happy.

Regards

Mick

Mick P , with political analysis like that the vacant spot on newsnight beckons you .

Perhaps it is worthwhile mentioning that the term new labour as been ditched and the tories will fight the next general election attacking Miliband for being a Marxist just like his dad and as evidence of this they will highlight his policies such as energy price control and rental agreement changes .

Should have gone to specsavers .

 

[Still]

The Tories are still broadly Thatcherite

Reference standard example of wishful thinking.

 

[Mick P]

Mick P , with political analysis like that the vacant spot on newsnight beckons you .

Perhaps it is worthwhile mentioning that the term new labour as been ditched and the tories will fight the next general election attacking Miliband for being a Marxist just like his dad and as evidence of this they will highlight his policies such as energy price control and rental agreement changes .

Should have gone to specsavers .

Gerald

We are not going to see eye to eye and neither of us is going to convince the other, so it is best we ignore each other or else it will just go on and on and on.

Let's see what happens after May 15th next year.

Mick

 

[Darmok]

Overall, one is happy.

HA, make the most of it whilst it lasts.

I have been hearing nice things about how the good people of Spain are dealing with the austerity measures by raiding en mass supermarkets with shopping trolleys and donating the proceeds to foodbanks.

A good bit of co-ordinated direct action on behalf of those who are unable to defend or feed themselves because of benefit sanctions imposed from the corporate thieves and con men posing as politicians.

 

[Rasher]

Mick, you do seem most fond of the rather crude and vulgar phrase 'bum bitch' these days, I think it's the third time I've seen it in recent weeks. Is it perhaps a unpleasant repressed memory resurfacing from your early years in the Swindon Masonic Lodge?

When Mick goes quiet for a while we all think he's been in Spain, but actually he's been in prison.

 

[Robert]

So UKIP can't win a Conservative seat at a bi-election even when that election was set in motion by a clearly corrupt and disgraced Tory MP (link). Some interesting tactical voting evident, but I strongly suspect we saw 'peak UKIP' in the EU elections and it's all down-hill from now.

PS Utterly disastrous result for the Lib Dems, but that's probably for another thread (they did just beat the Bus Pass Elvis party though).

There were several reports of Labour and LibDem voters lending their vote to the Conservatives to keep the Kippers out.

Very interesting indeed.

 

[Tony L]

There were several reports of Labour and LibDem voters lending their vote to the Conservatives to keep the Kippers out.

Yes, I suspect the anti-UKIP vote is very strong and I suspect there are obvious parallels here between the Tories / UKIP and the Republicans / Tea-Party. It also highlights obvious failures of the first past the post system where folk are forced to vote for something they really don't believe in in order to keep something even more ridiculous out. This is not democracy in any credible sense.

 

[Robert]

Chaps

I think the political spectrum is now looking quite healthy.

The Tories are still broadly Thatcherite, a bit euro sceptic and very very sensible in their approach.

Nulab is broadly similar, so the real choice is Cameron or Milliband, the current modus operandi will continue no matter who wins the election.

UKIP could easily become the third party because they at least stand for something unlike the LibDems who don't seem to know their head from their arse and all they seem good at is being a political bum bitch and they will do anything for anyone just to survive.

The only losers are the lefties, they can make all the racket they want but no one is listening to them and they seem to be without influence and representation.

Overall, one is happy.

Regards

Mick

This is entirely the correct analysis for electoral politics.
Pretty much faultless Mick.

However electoral politics and the actual state of play in the population are often at odds. The left never comes to power in any effective way on the back of simple electoral politics. To partake in such politics you must conform to free market capitalism, something no real socialist will support. You also cannot elect a socialist government - and by socialist I mean one seeking to embark on a serious program of nationalisation of the banks, utilities etc and the establishment of a planned economy. The state machine simply won't allow such a government near the levers of power.

The left comes to power on the back of struggle, of mass movements when conditions reach tipping point as they are currently in many parts of the world.
Rest assured Mick that the left aren't wasting their time talking to Nulab ministers, they are beavering away where it matters.

 

[Mick P]

This is entirely the correct analysis for electoral politics.
Pretty much faultless Mick.

However electoral politics and the actual state of play in the population are often at odds. The left never comes to power in any effective way on the back of simple electoral politics. To partake in such politics you must conform to free market capitalism, something no real socialist will support. You also cannot elect a socialist government - and by socialist I mean one seeking to embark on a serious program of nationalisation of the banks, utilities etc and the establishment of a planned economy. The state machine simply won't allow such a government near the levers of power.

The left comes to power on the back of struggle, of mass movements when conditions reach tipping point as they are currently in many parts of the world.
Rest assured Mick that the left aren't wasting their time talking to Nulab ministers, they are beavering away where it matters.

Robert

You are the one leftie I actually respect, you appear do be actually getting off your arse and doing things whilst the others just sit on theirs and just wail and moan.

To be honest, you are too energetic and sensible to be a leftie.

If we were ever in the same vacinity, I would actually like to buy you a drink.

Regards

Mick

 

[mudlark]

Classic. I agree with you as you agree with me. I'd like the opportunity of poisoning some drinks.

 

[Ernie CA]

Yes, I suspect the anti-UKIP vote is very strong and I suspect there are obvious parallels here between the Tories / UKIP and the Republicans / Tea-Party. It also highlights obvious failures of the first past the post system where folk are forced to vote for something they really don't believe in in order to keep something even more ridiculous out. This is not democracy in any credible sense.

How many UKIPS will end up in the Upper House ,before they get an MP ?

 

[clifftaylor]

However electoral politics and the actual state of play in the population are often at odds. The left never comes to power in any effective way on the back of simple electoral politics. .

Is that because people don't vote for them??

 

[Bob McC]

How many UKIPS will end up in the Upper House ,before they get an MP ?

Depends how many Tories defect.
Dave won't appoint any.