Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
This is spot on.
UK Election 2015
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KC Cantiaci
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The dirty side.....it benefits the SNP to have the Tory's in power because they're hated and could help the SNP's aspirations to leave the UK......which is ultimately what Sturgeon wants. If the Tory's are in power as opposed to Labour, there's more chance of something happening to fuel the call for a snap SNP independence referendum....like CMD's EU in/out referendum. So, it wouldn't suprise me if Sturgeon did say behind the scenes that she prefers CMD as PM.
For the Tory's, it helps them to have the SNP take all the seats in Scotland because it reduces the number of seats Labour can get....and they won't/couldn't do a deal with the SNP.
For Labour, they're on a hiding to nothing because they're losing ground to the SNP. But if they want to be in power, a coalition/tie up with the SNP is probably the only way it's going to happen.....and this is a deal with the devil and they know it.
Tony L
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Electionforecast.co.uk still have UKIP pegged on holding onto a single seat, i.e. they are likely not to be a factor in anything post-election. If this poling data is accurate the SNP (40 seats) and the Lib Dems (26) are the ones in a deal-making position.
KC Cantiaci
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The LibDems......in fact any party that stops Labour or Conservatives from being in power alone with a majority. The bigger reduction in seats for Lab/Con, the better AFAIC. It's been mentioned before and I sincerely hope it's true......this could be the end of two party politics in the UK. I hope long term this trend transfers into a PR system and away from FPTP.
Tony L
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Taking that angle a little further it actually makes sense for the Conservatives to "give" the SNP another independence referendum as ditching Scotland would effectively result in a Conservative dictatorship in England forever under the current FPTP boundary system. In the proposed EU referendum we've already seen that Cameron will sell-out the interests of the country for the slightest whiff of power, so it wouldn't entirely surprise me if some Tory strategists were working that model too.
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KC Cantiaci
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Of course. Behind the scenes, he, or I'd suggest it's more likely some Tory's rather than CMD, may well like the idea of Scotland going independent for their own party ambitions. But this is a sticky wicket as the electorate doesn't want this and wouldn't support him/them if this was known. So creating division wouldn't be beneficial in the long run.
Sturgeon on the other hand doesn't care so much what the UK electorate think.....just the Scottish ones. So she can create division because it will work in her/SNP's favour. A rumour being spread that she'd prefer CMD in No.10 is a win win for her. It won't affect the home vote and if CMD gets in, she gets a hate figure/party to focus on and for Labour to get in, they'll need her/SNP support....so she can call the shots.
Robert
Tapehead
I wrote an article a couple of weeks ago looking at the coming election from a left perspective, and in particular those active in left politics.
Might interest some lefties here
http://socialistnetwork.org/musings...-and-left-attitudes-towards-the-labour-party/
Given the recent surge in support for the SNP, an informal coalition between LP & SNP is no bad thing and looks possible. Such a pairing will pull the Labour Paert leadership to the left, albeit slightly and temporarily.
Better than the viable alternatives on offer.
Might interest some lefties here
http://socialistnetwork.org/musings...-and-left-attitudes-towards-the-labour-party/
Given the recent surge in support for the SNP, an informal coalition between LP & SNP is no bad thing and looks possible. Such a pairing will pull the Labour Paert leadership to the left, albeit slightly and temporarily.
Better than the viable alternatives on offer.
Cloth-Ears
pfm Member
Socialism is an abomination.
Socialists should be boiled.
Socialists should be boiled.
Jo Sharp
Pulls on doors marked push
Labour are looking for the best interests of their trade union paymasters- those nice people who spent decades wrecking UK industry with closed-shop bullying, all whilst being paid and guided by the Soviet Union.
Unite threaten to reduce their subsidies to Labour if Miliband doesn't do as he is told. Whilst getting caught trying to rig the candidate selection process in Falkirk. And then saying they would ignore any new legislation on union powers.
Nothing democratic about the likes of Unite.
kendo
Prussian bot
Are you implying my branch is undemocratic?
TPA
Trade: Tiger Paw
I wrote an article a couple of weeks ago looking at the coming election from a left perspective, and in particular those active in left politics.
Might interest some lefties here
http://socialistnetwork.org/musings...-and-left-attitudes-towards-the-labour-party/
Given the recent surge in support for the SNP, an informal coalition between LP & SNP is no bad thing and looks possible. Such a pairing will pull the Labour Paert leadership to the left, albeit slightly and temporarily.
Better than the viable alternatives on offer.
Does your group have any good examples where this type of socialism is working well?
hermit
Aye, right.
I wrote an article a couple of weeks ago looking at the coming election from a left perspective, and in particular those active in left politics.
Might interest some lefties here
http://socialistnetwork.org/musings...-and-left-attitudes-towards-the-labour-party/
Given the recent surge in support for the SNP, an informal coalition between LP & SNP is no bad thing and looks possible. Such a pairing will pull the Labour Paert leadership to the left, albeit slightly and temporarily.
Better than the viable alternatives on offer.
Interesting article Rob. I've been a lifelong Labour voter but after the IndyRef I doubt I shall ever vote for them again. They are tarred with the Red Tory label up here now and not without reason. The SNP will get my vote and, if they do succeed in dragging a Labour government further to the left, that can only be a good thing.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Those ridiculous SNP oil revenue estimates don't trouble you then? Or the bizarre comparisons with Norway? Not saying vote Labour, but the SNP has the advantage of not having been properly tested and that's about it. I wouldn't see them as any kind of panacea unless you think isolation in an increasingly global market is a good thing. In which case, do the isolation thing properly UKIP beckons.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
I didn't watch the whole thing, but the bits I've seen just reminded me how hopelessly the politicians have been caught out by the media and social media age. Instead of determining how politics is to be developed, they compete to react to the latest nit wit vox pop. Agendas and opinions from the most ill informed suddenly taking on disproportionate and puffed up importance. I wonder if there will ever be another leader, would we ever want one?
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Not that you're right, but that bit in bold is better than looking after the interests of the silver-spoon types the tories depend on.
Only one party is determined to drag the UK back to Victorian times and we know which one that is.
I'll ask you again.
Are you in favour of reduced support for the elderly and disabled?
Do you support policies that result in an increased dependence on food banks and charities?
Do you support exploitation of workers via zero-hours contracts?
Do you support the young starting their working life (if they can get a real job) with over £40k of debt?
Are you happy that borrowing is up while we have seen tax cuts for the well-off?
Is the first ever strike by midwives in 133 years the fault of their Union?
Why are there longer waiting times in A&E?
Are you in favour of reduced numbers of front-line police?
Are you in favour of reduced numbers in the UK border force?
MikeMA
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Do you pay any tax?
Greg
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:-D
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