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Trump Part 14

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Yank, Jun 4, 2018.

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  1. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

  2. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

  3. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Trump appears concerned by a possible ‘perjury trap’

    No, Donald, what makes you a liar is the constant stream of lies emanating from your own mouth and tweets, not to mention from your staff on your behalf.
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  4. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    Max? She doesn't mean that Max, does she? Could be... o_O

  5. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    Michael Cohen plea deal in SDNY. Trump is (probably) cooked.
  6. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    we need to investigate collusion with jesus.

    p.s. chris hedges should use that clip as an advert for his new book.
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Cohen to plead guilty to criminal charges (WSJ).

    PS Yay! \o/
  8. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    And one of the charges will be a campaign finance violation which will, probably, name a "Person A" co-conspirator which everyone will know is basically Trump.
  9. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    And the Manafort verdict is in on guilty on 8 counts. Deadlocked and mistrial on 10.
  10. martin clark

    martin clark pinko bodger

    I hope this evenings McDonald's delivery to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue leads to great indigestion...
  11. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

  12. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    If I understand it correctly Cohen cannot be pardoned for state crimes so at a minimum he's facing lengthy time in state prison. Also most of the material raided from Cohen's office has been found to not be covered by attorney client privilege and can be used by Mueller's team, so they no longer need to make a special deal with Cohen for information.

    From the start I've felt that Manafort is keeping quiet and hoping for a pardon. I wonder if the balance starts to tip against Trump (particularly if the mid terms tip the house to the dems) if Manafort might start to get scared and try to reach a deal with Mueller in return for yet more damaging information on Trump (and likely other top republicans).

    I sincerely hope today was a tipping point, but i'm still concerned that trump is untouchable until the GOP decides it will impeach him, and that will never happen.

    I see Michael Avenetti (lawyer to Stormy McStormface) has tweeted that he now will seek to question Trump under oath regarding what Trump knew and when on the Stormy payment.
  13. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    Cohen looking at 3 to 5 years but we don't know what he has agreed to in terms of co-operation. But he plead guilty to the two payoffs and effectively named Trump as a co-conspirator in those crimes.

    Manafort looking at decades in jail even with half the counts resulting in mistrials.

    All together this does feel like a turning point.

    Trump on his way to a rally tonight btw. Should be bonkers.
  14. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    The max for each count is 30 years, but they would be served concurrently. I heard that the sentencing guideline for Manafort will be 11-14 years, and could easily be less, 7-9 years. Still a lot of time for a 68 year old. Of course, this is only the first of two trials. The second trial begins in DC next month.
  15. martin clark

    martin clark pinko bodger


    "Cohen stood and plead guilty to charges, including that in October 2016, he, in coordination with “the candidate” arranged to make a payment to an “individual with information that would be harmful to the candidate and to the campaign.”

    Cohen said he used a company that was under his control to make the payment of $130,000 and those monies were later repaid to me by the candidate and that this was done “for the principal purpose of influencing the election.” "

    Right there, an allegation entered in a plea, in Court. The centre of gravity just shifted somewhat.
  16. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    "Tired of your lies
    All your silly alibis"...
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  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Hands up if Sebastian Gorker makes you want to punch your TV to death?

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  18. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    I can see Giuliani's new defence "Nah, nah, na nah na, you can't catch us"
  19. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

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  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    It would seem the President has been working with a number of criminals. How could this be?
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