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Tory Policy Failure..For Decades..

Mullardman

Mullardman

Moderately extreme...
The catalogue of Tory scandal, corruption, damage and failure continues unabated.

Every day, it becomes more apparent just how much these criminals have broken, with their toxic mix of privatisation, chronic underfunding of public services and failed inspection, supervision and management.

Only today, as well as the ongoing Zahawi and Sharp issues, we have reports of abuse and neglect in Doncaster children's homes, plus the failure of the probation system which led to the murder of a young female Law Graduate.

Both of these result from privatisation. Privately run children's homes, run for profit and poorly inspected. It's sickening.

Privatisation of the Probation Service. As I recall, Probation used to be a specialism within Social Work, but that was scrapped and the Privatised Probation scam is now failing and poorly staffed with low paid, badly trained workers.
This is clearly only the tip of a sickening iceberg.
Disgusting..I can't adequately voice my rage at those responsible and those who still vote for this criminal damage to our country and our society.
 
Labour of course did a better job ...not :)

Wasnt stonehouse a labour senior minister oooh and lord lucan!
 
What you are about is trying to compare a few Labour indiscretions with the wholesale corruption, policy failure and deliberate damage which the Torues have been engaged in since Thatcher. There is simply no comparison. Unless you can disprove what I am saying ( and I've only scraped the surface), then you are wasting your time If you actually believe this Tory Crime Syndicate is good for the UK then you are, I'm afraid.. seriously deluded.
 
hifinutt said:
Ha mull , no just pointing out its not just the tories that are guilty of sleaze !
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If you can't determine the lesser of two evils then you almost deserve another decade of Tory rule.
I get similarly disheartened with the "Yebbut both sides" over here in the US.

Mull - the system is only broken from the POV of the plebs. It's working very well for the grifters. Similarly US healthcare is only broken if you're a patient. If you're the CEO of a hospital / health insurer / pharma company it's working very well indeed, exactly as designed.
 
ff1d1l said:
They're all as bad as each other?
And you call what Mull enumerated "sleaze"?
FFS it's hopeless. And you certainly don't come over as stupid. We're ****ed.
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Opinions like that are all over TikTok and YouTube. I think we are f***ed.
 
Watching Auntie last night we started with an article about Zahawi (allegedly) fiddling his taxes to the extent of millions of pounds, followed by (allegedly) jobs for loan (OK...contacts) story about Boris fixing it for Richard Sharp. I was dismayed that this was not immediately followed by a triple whammy ref the health minister Nick Markham, recently given a peerage by Truss, (allegedly) owning 30% of Cignpost, a covid testing firm....but I guess it was marked up as a 'Guardian exclusive' breaking story last night.
Just another Monday for them I guess...I'm quite convinced nobody is listening anymore, and nobody cares.
 
If anything it shows how much your average Tory voter will put up with for the sake of some half arsed 'send em all back' rhetoric.
 
matt j said:
If anything it shows how much your average Tory voter will put up with for the sake of some half arsed 'send em all back' rhetoric.
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Absolutely. They will say that power corrupts, it's only natural that the people in power line their own pockets. Who wouldn't if they could? Labour didn't because they couldn't, they were powerless. You can see that The Conservatives are already starting to hammer home the idea that there's no reason to think that Starmer is a good person -- he lied to his own members to get the job, after all -- and there's plenty more like that in his biography. Partygate maybe showed something more serious -- but it's rapidly becoming just a faint memory of a bad smell, like all the other scandals in Boris's watch.

The other charges levelled against the Tories in the OP are that their policies are bad and they are incompetent. But Labour's policies are not obviously less bad. And their competence is totally unproved. Voting for them would be a leap in the dark.

We need an inspiring idea, a vision, not just throwing stones and saying "please give us a chance, promise we'll be better." The opposition parties are too susceptible to the suggestion that they live in a glass house, and better the devil you know.
 
Mullardman said:
The catalogue of Tory scandal, corruption, damage and failure continues unabated.

Every day, it becomes more apparent just how much these criminals have broken, with their toxic mix of privatisation, chronic underfunding of public services and failed inspection, supervision and management.

Only today, as well as the ongoing Zahawi and Sharp issues, we have reports of abuse and neglect in Doncaster children's homes, plus the failure of the probation system which led to the murder of a young female Law Graduate.

Both of these result from privatisation. Privately run children's homes, run for profit and poorly inspected. It's sickening.

Privatisation of the Probation Service. As I recall, Probation used to be a specialism within Social Work, but that was scrapped and the Privatised Probation scam is now failing and poorly staffed with low paid, badly trained workers.
This is clearly only the tip of a sickening iceberg.
Disgusting..I can't adequately voice my rage at those responsible and those who still vote for this criminal damage to our country and our society.
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There's a reason that 'rot' is contained within 'Tory'...
 
mandryka said:
Absolutely. They will say that power corrupts, it's only natural that the people in power line their own pockets. Who wouldn't if they could? Labour didn't because they couldn't, they were powerless. You can see that The Conservatives are already starting to hammer home the idea that there's no reason to think that Starmer is a good person -- he lied to his own members to get the job, after all -- and there's plenty more like that in his biography. Partygate maybe showed something more serious -- but it's rapidly becoming just a faint memory of a bad smell, like all the other scandals in Boris's watch.

The other charges levelled against the Tories in the OP are that their policies are bad and they are incompetent. But Labour's policies are not obviously less bad. And their competence is totally unproved. Voting for them would be a leap in the dark.

We need an inspiring idea, a vision, not just throwing stones and saying "please give us a chance, promise we'll be better." The opposition parties are too susceptible to the suggestion that they live in a glass house, and better the devil you know.
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The Labour manifesto of 2017 may have escaped the notice of many here. Hope they feel the alternative was better.
 
Thing is, possibly naively, I base my arguments on the premise that before you seek a solution, you must first understand the problem. It seems to me that far too many voters still have insufficient understanding of the problem..
Take the Probation Service. Given its numerous failures in setting killers free to kill again, many will simply blame Probation, with some justification. However they won't recognise the reasons why Probation failed, which are rooted in the changes made since privatisation, or very likely to facilitate privatisation, by making it cheaper to operate. All part of a deliberate process of de- skilling and cost cutting which is deeply intertwined with the obsession with privatisation. There is also a deliberate narrowing of contract outcomes in many cases. This has affected practically every public service, resulting in massive loss of skills, experience, jobs etc., and severe damage to both quality of service/ outcomes and the oversight/ quality assurance.
In much simpler terms, the Tories are very adept at positioning the beneficiaries a couple of steps away from the victims (both service users and service workers) That is why voters don't see what's happening and until they do, the Tory Crime Syndicate continues unopposed.
 
mandryka said:
Absolutely. They will say that power corrupts, it's only natural that the people in power line their own pockets. Who wouldn't if they could? Labour didn't because they couldn't, they were powerless. You can see that The Conservatives are already starting to hammer home the idea that there's no reason to think that Starmer is a good person -- he lied to his own members to get the job, after all -- and there's plenty more like that in his biography. Partygate maybe showed something more serious -- but it's rapidly becoming just a faint memory of a bad smell, like all the other scandals in Boris's watch.

The other charges levelled against the Tories in the OP are that their policies are bad and they are incompetent. But Labour's policies are not obviously less bad. And their competence is totally unproved. Voting for them would be a leap in the dark.

We need an inspiring idea, a vision, not just throwing stones and saying "please give us a chance, promise we'll be better." The opposition parties are too susceptible to the suggestion that they live in a glass house, and better the devil you know.
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Remember when you were saying that private medicine was good for us all,your now saying the
Tories are the best we can do.
I know you like to stir it but keep it for the risotto.
 
Dogberry said:
Remember when you were saying that private medicine was good for us all,.
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I wonder if Wes Streeting would agree with me about that. He's said he doesn't begrudge people paying to see a private doctor, and he's said he would pay for resources in the private sector to be used in the NHS. This is an example of why I said that Labour's policies are not obviously less bad than The Conservatives.
 
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