Tory Leadership Runners and Riders

[Mullardman]

Only 'skim read' this thread....
It seems they have all decided to abandon parts of the Red Wall and are relying on a return to the tired old low tax small state bollox which appeals to 'middle England' types who go around 'harrumphing' about the 'workshy, 'benefit cheats', 'wasteful public services' etc. So, a clear shift away from what Johnson promised... but had no intention of delivering.. and an obvious appeal to the hateful 'retired colonel/blue rinse' brigade who qill be doing the voting on behalf of the rest of us.
Of course having just delivered an orgy of borrowing, they will now argue that borrowing is evil and that 'we' must all make sacrifices..etc.. blah...
Classic Tory. Nothing to see here..

 

[Tony L]

Maundant’s promo gets a remix (Twitter).

 

[The Far North]

From Andrew Neil's twitter

Enjoyed tonight’s hour-long Andrew Neil Show Special. Gave programme a chance to breathe. Yet not single contender for Tory leadership would agree to be interviewed by me. Closest we got: J Hunt offered E McVey. Then she bottled it. These are people who want to run the country.

 

[Ponty]

…and therefore slash public services too.

If we accept the mantra that taxes don’t fund public services, they shouldn’t be impacted. Given the current climate and challenges, it seems a good idea to encourage and stimulate businesses.

 

[Ponty]

Does CT stand for cheese tax? I’m in.

I’m hoping it’s claret tax.

 

[The Far North]

Just to show our views aren't just a pfm thing, this is from today's Times

 

[Richard Lines]

Given the current climate and challenges, it seems a good idea to encourage and stimulate businesses.

Not sure too many people at the sharp end in the UK will be too concerned about that but then the UK population, as a whole, doesn't seem to concern this Government.........

Regards

Richard

 

[Mullardman]

Mc Vey is a poisonous specimen who should be ashamed to present herself as in any way representative of 'The North' in general or Merseyside in particular. I see Hunt's adoption of her as a cynical, but also stupid move. It will not benefit his cause.

 

[Ponty]

Not sure too many people at the sharp end in the UK will be to concerned about that but then the UK population, as a whole, doesn't seem to concern this Government.........

Regards

Richard

They soon will be if their employer has to reduce the workforce or goes bust due to recession.

 

[Mullardman]

Christ Ponty...
Were you wrapped in the Tory Manifesto at birth?

Those at the bottom of the socio economic heap in the UK simply cannot participate. They can barely eat FFS!!

 

[ks.234]

Yep, and the truly great thing about what we’re witnessing is that the only people who get to vote are Tories who still remain party members even after the whole Johnson shit show so let’s speculate as to what the probably nastiest 0.4% of the voting public serve us up as a next PM

But the real point here is much wider than 0.4%. The narrative of public service cuts, promoted as tax cuts and There Is No Alternative in the press, will be the battleground of the next general election, and as Labour has already given up the fight on deficit spending, it will be arguing it economic case on precisely the same terms as the Tories.

Let’s be clear, under the current narrative, Tax cuts mean either borrowing or cuts to public spending. If Labour is serious about improving society and the environment it has to change the narrative. But it wont be able to.

 

[ks.234]

If we accept the mantra that taxes don’t fund public services, they shouldn’t be impacted.

Again, you seem to be ignoring the basics here. The basics being that the household economic model represents reality for government, it doesn’t. Instead of sniping, perhaps you could say why you believe that taxes *do* fund public services?

Given the current climate and challenges, it seems a good idea to encourage and stimulate businesses.

How on earth will the neoliberal vision of the free market tackle climate change. It won’t. It will only tinker around the edges to the extent that it is forced to by public opinion, and that extent is as little as possible, which won’t tackle climate change.

 

[Joe Hutch]

Mc Vey is a poisonous specimen who should be ashamed to present herself as in any way representative of 'The North' in general or Merseyside in particular. I see Hunt's adoption of her as a cynical, but also stupid move. It will not benefit his cause.

Is she as bad as Mad Nad 'Scouser' Dorries?

 

[irons1965]

Is she as bad as Mad Nad 'Scouser' Dorries?

Same piss.....

 

[ks.234]

If we accept the mantra that taxes don’t fund public services, they shouldn’t be impacted. Given the current climate and challenges, it seems a good idea to encourage and stimulate businesses.

If you accept the mantra or not, the fact of the matter is that we have had 12 years of exactly to same policies that have failed to live up to their promises, Covid has done nothing but widen the gap between Tory ideological promises for growth in living standards, and the reality for peoples living conditions.

Why do you imaging that the same promises made 12 years ago will produce different results now. The typical Tory answer is that the promises have failed so they need to be tried harder and implemented with more vigour. But the have failed because they are flawed ideas that have been shown to fail wherever they have been tried.

Tory ideology has failed because it is just plain wrong and will fail again for the same reasons.

Especially if it turns out to be Labour trying to implement Tory ideology

 

[ks.234]

On my 20 minute drive across the New Forest I spotted 13 soft top cars, 7 of which had the roof up. What sort of demented mind buys a soft top and drives with the roof up on a day like this?

Such drivers should be stopped and fined a punitive amount sufficient to restore the NHS. That’ll teach ‘em

 

[TheDecameron]

If you accept the mantra or not, the fact of the matter is that we have had 12 years of exactly to same policies that have failed to live up to their promises, Covid has done nothing but widen the gap between Tory ideological promises for growth in living standards, and the reality for peoples living conditions.

Why do you imaging that the same promises made 12 years ago will produce different results now. The typical Tory answer is that the promises have failed so they need to be tried harder and implemented with more vigour. But the have failed because they are flawed ideas that have been shown to fail wherever they have been tried.

Tory ideology has failed because it is just plain wrong and will fail again for the same reason.

The party of (fcuk) business, remember. You could stick a blue rosette on a Tamworth and the tribe would still vote for it.

 

[Weekender]

On my 20 minute drive across the New Forest I spotted 13 soft top cars, 7 of which had the roof up. What sort of demented mind buys a soft top and drives with the roof up on a day like this?

Bald ones without hats.

 

[Joe Hutch]

It looks like it's going to be a quick canter through the voting process to eliminate the tyre-kickers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62115347

Interestingly, a Sunak supporter is calling the bluff on the other candidates tax-cutting rhetoric:

'Jenrick says the tax-cutting plans announced by rival leadership candidates will lead to significant additional borrowing or reductions in public spending.

He says Sunak plans to "manage the economy responsibly" by bearing down on inflation and cutting taxes "as quickly as we sensibly can".

He says the public is “crying out” for the Conservative Party to “demonstrate seriousness of purpose, professionalism, and a clear plan for the economy”.'

 

[Tony L]

Tory ideology has failed because it is just plain wrong and will fail again for the same reason.

The incoming recession needs placing very firmly at the Tories door. They and their ridiculous failed Brexit project did this. There is no one to pass the buck to, nowhere to hide. The Conservative Party have been in power nearly as long as Blair now and we have seen absolutely none of the success, growth or infrastructure funding of that period. They have been an absolute failure on every metric and the UK has sunk far below its previous peers on the international stage. I don’t think anyone even knew what a foodbank was before this shower of venal shitheads started simply pocketing state revenue and assets rather than funding social care etc.

PS I detest Blair’s warmongering authoritarian neoconservative Labour, but there is no argument that they were in power over one of the longest periods of sustained economic growth in UK history and their stimulus was a factor in that success. The Tories always bring the fail. Every time the division and fail.