Are you unable to read or is it the comprehension that you struggle with? I said:
As I really don't see the point in going round in circles forever debating the pros and cons of one record player vs another.
I agree that Rega are a great, innovative company. The best Hi-Fi company in the UK in my opinion. I also agree that the LP12 is flawed, but then all turntables are. I agree that Linn upgrades are ridiculously overpriced, which is why I don't buy them. I also understand your eulogy to the P10. You could say exactly the same things about the RP10 and in fact I did not so long ago.
But the problem you have here is that I don't give a shit. I don't buy equipment because I like the company who make it, because it is new or technically advanced, because I like the look of it. I buy it, or rather keep it, because it moves me emotionally and lets me understand the intentions of the artists better. I don't care that the design of the LP12 is old, that I'm not a big fan of the company who make it. The music sounds right. More organic, more rhythmically correct and has realistic tonality, if you want to get technical about it. Yes, the RP10 has fantastic speed stability but the LP12 tells me more about micro timing cues. And the P10 is just further down the same direction.
And I'm not alone. Years ago a few people were raving about the P9, I'd never heard one, but friends said it was impressive but sounded 'wrong'. I know a very prominent and very old Linn, Naim Rega dealer who stocks all of Rega's products but won't sell the top turntables because they dislike them. I know another dealer who said that they sell hardly any of the Regas because when they do the dem the customer buys the LP12 virtually every time.
Some people actually like the LP12 and don't like the big Regas. Deal with it. It's nothing personal. It's certainly nothing against Rega, who I love to bits. I just don't like the same record player as you.
It's not about me trying to get you to like what I like. ...But it seems almost every time I read a post referring to turntables here on Pinkfish these days you -and a few others here and there- seem to have this need to pass remarks such as:
"I would not walk past an LP12 to get to any of them." -post No.6 in this thread BTW- within the first few reply posts and honestly it's exhausting and makes me wonder if you're trying to convince others or you're just trying to convince yourself of your own purchases/choices.
Well, now I'll be the guy with years of personal experience with personal LP12's -including friends LP12's in various states of build- and some other decks including the P10 that wants to "respond" to you when you add some quick , sideways remark about how wonderful you think the LP12 is. My feeling is you make these posts thinking little about them & what you say, hope for a dozen or so "Likes" and move on with no friction from other members, because I'm sure you feel that everyone Loves the LP12, it's an institution after all. Well now I'm stepping up to be a voice that has a "different" opinion about the LP12 in response, and I choose to voice it. And your last post sounded a little angry BTW.
Again, you brought the question up, so I will be the guy that responds.
Now let me add something about dealers that sell Linn & Rega products, they will sell you a Rega if the customer demands it, or if the customers kid needs something, or maybe for a "spare room" set up after the customer has already bought in with a Linn main system. But no Linn dealer worth their salt
really want's to sell you any Rega products, it a dead end for the "dealer", period, and a Linn dealer has very little to offer 99.9% of the average people that walks past their shop, so repeat business
is their business. There are really no profitable "upgrade" paths after a Rega sale like there is for Linn products, and Regas need very little maintenance/specialty services or set up that the shop can bill for. The business model for any Linn dealer is to first, by some miracle, get you into their shop and then to get you into a LP12 -or what ever Linn product- and thus into Linns very expensive and never ending "upgrade" path. Rega's can be also bought on some OnLine shops, sometimes at a discount, Linn LP12's can not be bought on line, need to be professionally assembled -for the most part- and very rarely are had at a discount. Linn dealers do not want to bother dealing with/or competing with OnLine shops.
And you know as well as I do that concerning a shop A/B Demo, the dealer/owner knows
exactly how to "sway" a demo any way they like, this is "any" dealer FWIW, not just a Linn dealer.
And I wholeheartedly
disagree -with all due respect- with your statement that "
The music -Produced by the LP12- sounds right. More organic, more rhythmically correct and has realistic tonality, and that the "
LP12 tells me more about micro timing cues" All absolutely FALSE when compared to the P10, on all points IMO, I know, you have your own opinions though. ...But Perhaps compared to the RP10 this is somewhat true, I can't say.
And yes, like what you like and I will like what I like, and let others decide for themselves by doing A-B's of their own. ...But when you say something like
"I would not walk past an LP12 to get to any of them" well, that kinda sounds like you are the one trying to get someone to like what "you" like, just say'in..