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Thinking of selling it all, or massive downgrade at least......

Discussion in 'audio' started by badger748, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. TimF

    TimF pfm Member

    Yeah, I really wish that you would quit posting the picture of that jewel, it is a beauty for sure!:)
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  2. RoA

    RoA Well-Known Member

    I can't imagine many being unhappy with a nice set of ATC Actives and a good pre-amp/streamer.
  3. andrew

    andrew pfm Member

    "I came to the conclusion towards the end of last year that I'm the weakest link in the chain."

    Yes, this is about the size of it. I do 90% of my listening on a DAB portable in the kitchen where I now work, and get great enjoyment from it. I was dancing to something on the phone earlier.
    I've always noticed that my system sound is dependent on how I feel. If I'm not particularly bothered about the sound, it sounds great. It's only when I maybe feel a little tense and start critically listening to the sound rather than the music, that dissatisfaction creeps in. Obviously, I still do the odd cartridge upgrade/replacement, but as long as the basic sound is 'about right' then I don't worry about it now.
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  4. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Late to the thread, but I think it's worthwhile having a sit down and a think. What did you originally buy it for? I don't mean that in a negative sense, as in "what on earth have you bought THAT for?" but what were your original motivations?
    Next it would be "what has changed?".
    So maybe you went down this journey to see how far it went, and it goes quite a long way. Did you have fun on the way? Did the next box give you that extra scintilla of musical appreciation, or ownership pleasure, or other motivation?
    Have you now done this? There's no harm in saying that you are done with it. I've owned sports cars, it became fairly clear that at the time I probably preferred mending them to driving them. So I bought a 2CV for £300 and mended that. These days I'm not very interested in mending cars so I have moved on. That's fine. I still like making things in the workshop, but other things.
    Plenty of people do this, they work towards a grail, having got there they decide that maybe the quest was more fun than the arrival. You can be Fred Dibnah and spend thousands of hours restoring a steam engine, but what do you do with it then? You either take it to steam rallies, or you build another, or you say "done that now" and sell it. Your choice.

    Only when you know the answers to this will you know if it's right for you to sell up. Do you want to sell it all? I don't know. Do you want to start again? Is it the search that you miss? Do you listen to music very much, or is it just the radio in the kitchen? It's up to you. I used to be into photography. I enjoyed learning how to do it, these days I don't pick up a camera from one year to the next. I don't miss it. Some people are like this with a sport.
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  5. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    @badger748 Call Emporium Hi-Fi, agree a price and have them collect it all next day...... then you can have that panic attack and momentarily thought of 'WTF have I done!' ........ it'll be liberating :D

    Then buy the Soulution 330, a set of EWA LS-40 + full EWA loom and some Magico A1s...... then you can have that panic attack and momentarily thought of 'WTF have I done!' ........ it'll be liberating :D
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  6. david ellwood

    david ellwood Kirabosi Kognoscente

    I think this points to a fundamental lowering of expectations driven by the use of digital sources, that many would be happy with ATCs points to a serious lack of aspiration.
    nostromo likes this.
  7. Martin M

    Martin M Crueller than April

    I went through a mini-version of the same here. For my own sanity and to save my family wading through bunches of crap should I peg it. My wife and I got rid of the fancy(-ish) cars, no urge for fancy watch or watches (so I tend to wear nothing to a Casio F91...). Kept the hifi as I use it.

    As Steve says, I'd sit back and think what do you want from all this stuff?

    If it were me (not critique of you, just putting myself in your shoes....). I'd wonder what I can do with more than 1 watch. I'd wonder what I can do with more than 1 car. I'd wonder what I can do with 3 cartridges etc.

    Hence, I'd be tempted to simplify and clarify a little. Get rid of two of the three cartridges. Get rid of the elaboration of a CD player - could one of those boxes do the job? I'd be tempted to keep the amp and speakers but ditch elaborate cables and racks. At least it will look a bit more like a living room then.
  8. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Ha, ha

    What a load of rubbish.
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  9. badger748

    badger748 Like en eel. But in reverse.

    Fair points - you may be right........
  10. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    The system in question is not one I could afford or contemplate. Too many bits to achieve a pretty simple outcome.

    I would sell off all the fancy cables which will add up to a very tidy sum. Plumb in some standard stuff & see how you get on. The money banked will probably pay for a set of nice active speakers. The DCS gear can probably double as a pre-amp, has balanced outs? See how you get on before selling the valve amps.

    TT is obviously top end. Get a home dem of something by Rega or Technics; relatively fuss free. Is the incumbent TT that much better? Etc etc

    Obviously this is a first world problem & you are probably in a different income bracket to most on here (nothing wrong with that) so you have plenty of options.

    I would be amazed if you didn’t get a great outcome which re-sets you love of music & hifi.
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  11. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    Reminds me of a friend. Had the big house, from-new BMW 5 series 535 thingy, some decent hifi and seemed to have an all-round good life. He and his brothers had inherited a suite of industrial properties that were rented out. We used to be quite close friends, parties and dinners etc. He had a part time earner as a Smart car bumps repair chap, franchise. All good, until he pissed his money up the wall by playing the NY Silver market and got it wrong. Lost the franchise, moved to a smaller house.. seemed to settle a bit and then did it again. This time he was kicked out of the warehouse business by his brothers, lost his marriage, and even more money on wife's fees for forensic accountants, £50k alone, convinced he had hidden money somewhere.
    (whisper - I think he might have...)

    Now with a Ford Fiesta that he loves, renting a small house, new mature girlfriend and a job delivering cars (or adding miles to them before being used by journalists)....he is genuinely happy and says actually the Fiesta especially is a lovely thing and the BMW was overpriced, blingy and not needed. Doesn't miss the house, or the upkeep of, either.
    You have a Roon Rock. Why not keep that?, feeding a combined Dac/Amp and decent speakers of choice. With an Ipad to control the music you would have a simple system that could access a ton of online music (Qobuz and/or Tidal subscription will help) and a system the whole family could operate.
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  12. vln

    vln Shuns mooks. And MQA.

    @badger748 many thanks for listing your system - it seems it has proliferated a bit over the years with lots of boxes and accessories!

    However, in your shoes I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water and make any rash decisions, instead I'd do this:
    • Keep the turntable
    • Keep the speakers
    • Keep the phono pre
    However, pit *everything else* (including accessories) against an integrated amp with a built in DAC, and using a (cheap) streamer, such as a Raspberry Pi; the integrated maybe around 7.5 - 15k UKP.

    If you end up preferring the integrated, you will end up with 1 (one) rack with three shelves, TT on top, then integrated, then phono pre, and the RPi can be hidden out of sight. Chances are intact (IMO) that you will find an integrated at that price that will sound as good or perhaps better than your collection of boxes and accessories that seems to have accumulated.

    The visual impact of such a 3-component system is much easier on the eye compared to what you have at the moment, and at the same time you keep some of the components that you paid good money for and which might be difficult to replace. For example, I understand that the DeVores are quite special (never heard them though) so replacing them is probably not easy.
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  13. badger748

    badger748 Like en eel. But in reverse.

    Thanks JH. YEs i had intended to keep some bits anyway, not all would be sold. The Roon Nucleus would probably stay for the very reason you've said.
    Add in a combined integrated amp/Dac and a pair of speakers and off we go.
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  14. badger748

    badger748 Like en eel. But in reverse.

    Keeping some of the stuff has indeed crossed my mind as the compromise.
    I guess, simplistically, what doesnt sell (at the right price) i'd keep.
    That will probably drive things more than a desire to keep bits.
  15. Rug Doc

    Rug Doc pfm Member

    We could be Neighbours... I have a couple bought and paid for there!!!
  16. badger748

    badger748 Like en eel. But in reverse.

    Could be neighbours? More like WILL be neighbours!
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  17. Colin L

    Colin L LOU Attitude Adjuster


    My advice FWIW would be simplify and go all digital. You will lose a lot of boxes and racks.
    Chop the Bartok in for a Rossini which has an extremely capable pre-amp function, and use directly into a power amp + speakers (or active speakers) of your choice.
    I recently sold my TT doing exactly this. My pre-amp is away to Australia for some TLC and I'm using the Rossini direct to power amps and its very, very good indeed.
  18. iansr

    iansr pfm Member

    It is an EWA M100TS. As I’ve said on a couple of other occasions, I feel privileged to own it. It’s a truly special amp and given the level of its performance its a bargain. I am also making a pair of monoblocks using Colin’s SECA PCBs.
  19. RoA

    RoA Well-Known Member

    Perhaps, for some, maybe even the OP, coming from such lofty heights in Hifi terms. To assume that many would not be happy with such a system implies a certain amount of snobbery. However, as we are debating the OP's 'dilemma' I will just assume you mean me and that's fine. I'd personally be very happy with my suggestion.
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  20. harmonica98

    harmonica98 pfm Member

    I'll give my standard advice that if you do ditch the TT, keep the vinyl, for a while at least - a TT is easily replaced, a vinyl collection is not.

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