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The Tory leadership race- that’s quite a bestiary there.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by TheDecameron, May 28, 2019.

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  1. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim


    As Labour is not in a position to deliver a Labour Brexit, I'll await the same response to any post critical of Labour for not stopping brexit altogether, and for not providing a second referendum. Labour isn't in a position to deliver on those things either.

    I find it interesting that you believe the EU would not enter into any kind of negotiation with a new UK non-tory govt after a General Election. That doesn't reflect well on the EU if you're right, which I doubt.

    Your 'c' is potentially a very destructive option for the UK socially. Trouble can happen here just like anywhere else.
  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Labour is in a position to make a strong pro-remain/pro-second referendum argument, yet has chosen not to. This has cost it hugely in recent elections and will almost certainly lose it a GE.

    I did not say that. If there is a GE before Brexit I’d obviously expect the EU to negotiate with the winning party or coalition. This is however increasingly unlikely.

    I have a tenner at 7/1 on an election this year (I placed the bet just after winning on the outcome of the last general election knowing this is the point everything would turn to shit), but my fear is I’m not going to see it as both main parties know very well they would fail to win one.
  3. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    More on Mark Harper. Looks like the kind of man who’d offer to knock £600 off the price of a Vauxhall Mireva and throw in a set of mats and an air freshener if you sign now.
    His past is more chequered than at first obvious- he has served in Cabinet- he was the man behind the Home Office “Go Home Now” vans, while employing an illegal immigrant to clean his house.

    Excellent Tory leadership material I’d say- an utter hypocrite.
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  4. alanbeeb

    alanbeeb pfm Member

    I am increasingly convinced that Rory Stewart joined the Conservatives by accident - maybe after that Iranian wedding pot smoking episode - and has been too embarrassed to admit that he actually meant to join the Lib-Dems. from few years ago.

    2nd half of that article talks about his political views - in what way is that a conservative viewpoint? He's in the wrong party.
  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The Conservatives historically used to be a fairly broad church in fairness, it is only recently they have gone batshitcrazyTrump. I’d cite Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston as others who never had any business being in this modern toxically hard-right Tory party, as obviously they realised, though they should have defected to the LDs rather than the CUK nonsense. Ken Clarke no longer fits in a party with real nutters like Johnson, Rees Mogg, Raab, McVey etc etc either.
  6. alanbeeb

    alanbeeb pfm Member

    I was really more thinking about the "conservative" word - advocating huge constitutional change as he is in that article - devolving decision making power down to localities, reducing parliament to 100 MPs, written constitution - is anything but conservative, its utterly radical. Constitutional re-engineering like that has never been advocated from the Conservative party - but Liberals & LDs have been banging that drum for decades.
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Agreed, very unusual for a Tory to be arguing for less Westminster trough too!
  8. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    I think he’s been pretty upfront about joining the Tories because they offered the best chance of personal advancement, regardless of their policies - which let’s face it is a very Tory thing to do.
  9. MikeMA

    MikeMA pfm Member

    Rory Stewart was once a member of the Labour Party.
  10. The Far North

    The Far North pfm Member

    Trump's supporting Boris for the "dream team" (aka worst nightmare). He says that other candidates have asked for his support, but how would you ever know?
  11. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Another prominent Tory, Sir Alan Duncan who worked for Johnson as junior minister at the FCO, went out of his way to tell R4 listeners how unfit Johnson was for office. I liked his account repeated by others, that the job involved following Johnson around with a very large pooper scooper where ever he went. If you’re in any doubt, watch the BBC documentary about the FCO. The facial expressions of officials trailing after Johnson say it all.
  12. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Hat and Beard member

    If your nerve is failing you can currently lay this at Betfair Exchange @ 5/2, which Excel tells me gives a guaranteed £19.28 profit whatever happens (assuming your original bet was a free one.)

    Or of course you could just cash out at the bookies, if they give you that option.
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  13. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Leadsom is on Marr. Andrea’s pitch is “I will lead Britain to a more compassionate post Brexit world”. She’s going to leave Europe in a “managed exit”, a magical renegotiation of everything- before October. This is a revelation.
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Leadsome seems just as batshit crazy as Anne Widdecombe, she just lacks the pantomime comedy and religious bigotry aspect.
  15. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Is she doing this as a mother?
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  16. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    She completely backtracked on that when challenged but it’s fair to say she is positioning as Mother Of The Nation now. Like her, The Saj has a 3 point plan. Get out, get out now and stop Corbyn becoming PM. He’s never stopped to draw breath and has a wearisome hectoring, authoritarian style. Fortunately there’s zero risk of him becoming PM.
  17. wylton

    wylton Naim and Mana member

    It's difficult to see how the Tory's can avoid a general election, because whoever takes over from May, is going to have an uphill struggle to get a Brexit deal through parliament, so the only way around it would be to get a bigger majority in the house, but even that doesn't look very likely. As for who will become the new leader, I honestly couldn't give a toss, because they're all as bad as each other.
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  18. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    And now it's up to 13.
  19. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    The pantomine continues...
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The more I think about it the less I feel there will be a GE. Despite zero policies and a clear history of fraudulence Banks/Farage’s far-right Brexit Party look set at the very least to split what little is left of the Tory vote and there is no way they will choose to put themselves out of office. The fact there are currently no less than 13 people putting themselves forward to be the PM that presided over the destruction of the UK’s economic future proves how utterly deluded and out of touch this party is.

    Labour are clearly now at their weakest since the Michael Foot days, but against a hopelessly diminished and fractured Conservative Party split by Farage and Banks covertly financed vacuous far-right Trump/Tea Party clone there is still a very real prospect more seats would go to a progressive coalition even if a Labour majority is well out of reach. The Tories will, as always, place their own short-term interest ahead of taking that gamble. Even so a VoNC is a very interesting prospect as technically I don’t think the Tories/DUP have half the HoC anymore (i.e. a lot of pressure would fall on Allen, Wollaston & Soubry, plus IIRC a couple of others in the Tory party have said they’d bring the government down rather than crash-out without a deal).
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