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The Ongoing UKIP PR Disaster thread

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Joe Hutch said:
Labour clearly hasn't got a clue how to respond to prospective voters re immigration: 'don't talk about it, change the subject, no votes in it for us' (probably walk away muttering about 'typical bigots' if things get difficult).
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Well they are coming to the debate belatedly.

I'm very anti Labour Party, but I must say to give them their due, the thing Milliband was in the news yesterday talking about, is highly relevant. Kudos to them for flagging this up and making pledges on it.

I'm talking about the matter of resisting low wages and inferior conditions imposed on and accepted by migrant workers. Of course there are already some measures and standards, but to big it up and strengthen measures is actually important.

It is in the interests of the existing workforce that this is done. Some are so dumb they can't see that but it is.

The Labour Party have recently highlighted something the other parties have not done enough. UKIP included and I'd say especially bad of UKIP, the party which apprently has the greatest concern over economic migrant control.
 
swstokie said:
NO WE DON"T. But we also do not need a party of self righteous, self serving Oxbridge PPE educated, political clones who have never had a proper job outside of politics, have no identity with the people they purport to represent, neither understand or care about there worries, concerns or how the policies of this political elite actually affect the lives of the average working man. ?
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Plenty of parties fall outside the Westminster bubble and predictable PPE product and do actually care about the working man (not women though?):confused:

Vote for one of these then, rather than a single - issue party led by another product of the English public school system. Just because he smokes and drinks doesn't make Farage a 'Man of the people'.

It's sad that when some people in England (and it is England) decide to stick it to the political class, they choose the most right - wing party they can get away with without actually being labelled racist.

Stephen

Here are your choices (from Wikipedia).

The Green party
Alliance for Workers' Liberty (stands as Socialist Unity in elections)
Class War
Communist League
Communist Party of Britain
Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee)
Democratic Labour Party (part of TUSC, has 1 councillor in Walsall)
Independent Working Class Association
International Socialist League
Left Unity
New Communist Party
Peace and Progress Party
Revolutionary Communist Group
Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Labour Party
Socialist Party (England and Wales) (part of TUSC. Also stands as Socialist Alternative in elections.)
Socialist Party of Great Britain
Socialist Peoples Party
Socialist Resistance (part of TUSC)
Socialist Workers Party (part of TUSC)
Spartacist League
Workers Power
Workers' Revolutionary Party

Oh and the Monster raving loony party - who don't actually appear so loony when compared with some members of the UKIP.
 
TPA said:
I'm not sure the UKIP programme is quite the PR disaster that many would like to believe. Sure they have inherited a bunch of nutters to get some traction but I'm sure they'll be ditched as the support grows.

As mentioned earlier I've also come across a few 'sensible' UKIP supporters who seem to see through the nutter fringe. I'm sure the big 3 parties will work out how to neutralise them at some point so not convinced it'll go anywhere though. But who knows.
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The two questions I raised in my earlier post:

Do the people of this country want to continue to be governed by Europe?
Do the people of this country want immigration capped or stopped?

These two question are the catalyst to UKIPs ascendancy in popularity. It is the two questions that the big three parties have constantly brushed aside for years insisting that the people are wrong and that they know best. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, UKIP have shoved the issues so far up the noses of the big three that now they can't make them go away. They are now being forced to confront peoples concerns and they clearly do not like it, concerns that they really do not want to hear as they do not fit their ideology or personal designs and desires. After all, they are only in it for themselves first and foremost!
 
swstokie said:
They are now being forced to confront peoples concerns and they clearly do not like it, concerns that they really do not want to hear as they do not fit their ideology or personal designs and desires.
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Or simply because they might face the challenge of making the economy work with less foreign (--> cheap) workforce.
 
stephen bennett said:
Plenty of parties fall outside the Westminster bubble and predictable PPE product and do actually care about the working man (not women though?):confused:
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Apart from the Greens, the parties you list get next to no votes, which suggests that while they may care about Ordinary Working People, they don't understand them.
 
stephen bennett said:
Plenty of parties fall outside the Westminster bubble and predictable PPE product and do actually care about the working man (not women though?):confused:

Vote for one of these then, rather than a single - issue party led by another product of the English public school system. Just because he smokes and drinks doesn't make Farage a 'Man of the people'.

It's sad that when some people in England (and it is England) decide to stick it to the political class, they choose the most right - wing party they can get away with without actually being labelled racist.

Stephen

Here are your choices (from Wikipedia).

The Green party
Alliance for Workers' Liberty (stands as Socialist Unity in elections)
Class War
Communist League
Communist Party of Britain
Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee)
Democratic Labour Party (part of TUSC, has 1 councillor in Walsall)
Independent Working Class Association
International Socialist League
Left Unity
New Communist Party
Peace and Progress Party
Revolutionary Communist Group
Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Labour Party
Socialist Party (England and Wales) (part of TUSC. Also stands as Socialist Alternative in elections.)
Socialist Party of Great Britain
Socialist Peoples Party
Socialist Resistance (part of TUSC)
Socialist Workers Party (part of TUSC)
Spartacist League
Workers Power
Workers' Revolutionary Party

Oh and the Monster raving loony party - who don't actually appear so loony when compared with some members of the UKIP.
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Quite disjointed, those communists, it would seem. Need to watch them in case they join forces. Who knows what could happen there.
 
richgilb said:
Quite disjointed, those communists, it would seem. Need to watch them in case they join forces. Who knows what could happen there.
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:) I was thinking the same as well as looking at 'the Socialists'.

In fact I found that wiki page and there are a lot more individual left leaning parties than right. Very disjointed......
 
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