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The 2022 Formula One Thread

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Tony Lockhart, Dec 12, 2021.

  1. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Graham Hill and Dan Gurney drifting through Parabollica at Monza 1965.


    LAT copyright photo
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  2. Sonority

    Sonority pfm Member

    For those that want to watch 'something else' over the weekend, GoodWood Revival is live all weekend. Some amazing cars.

    BRM currently on track - glorious noise.
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  3. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    Bugger. I started watching just as the BRM’s engine started to let its smoke out :(

    correction: coolant.
  4. Sonority

    Sonority pfm Member

    Yeah, it just let go :-( You should be able to schrole back through the vid though.
  5. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    For some reason, on my iPhone, the scrolling back doesn’t work.
  6. Sonority

    Sonority pfm Member

    Todays F1 can be amazing at times, but this is truly 'glorious' on so many levels.
    That Bugatti at full chat, and the only one apart from the museum.
  7. Sonority

    Sonority pfm Member

    Ah, a shame, I can on the mac, but then, I did see it, so possibly may need the bigger memory of a full size computer?
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  8. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    France dropped and replaced by Las Vegas in 2023.
    Ludicrous decision.
  9. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    Madness. Some great race tracks, diluted

  10. cutting42

    cutting42 Arrived at B4 Hacker Ergo

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  11. narabdela

    narabdela who?

    Money talks I suppose, but that horrible Paul Ricard track didn't help.

    (EDITED to correct brainfart.)
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2022 at 1:16 PM
  12. cutting42

    cutting42 Arrived at B4 Hacker Ergo

    We did not have a French GP after 2008 until its return in 2018 largely because of that circuit I believe. Unfortunately selection of venues is all about the money as you say and the trad circuits that have always funded themselves through ticket sales rather than government assistance have always struggled. Interesting that he USA can finance 3 races, not sure how long they can continue that with (still) no American drivers.
  13. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    Is hell freezing over anytime soon?
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  14. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    Ricard is horrific
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  15. mickhick1

    mickhick1 pfm Member

    Magny Cours was a bit remote I believe, but was quite a technical circuit, better than Paul Ricard IMO.
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  16. narabdela

    narabdela who?

    OOOPS! I actually meant Paul Ricard, not Magny Cours. Brainfart! :oops:
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  17. IanW

    IanW pfm Member

    I have not talked to anyone at Merc about all this, but have talked to others at different teams and along with my understanding of vehicle performance can put together the likely scenario.

    The wind tunnel data would not show any stall, due to a compliant floor for example. The wind tunnel metrics would not have been modified to give any indication of ground effect problems, and hence the development path followed would have gone into areas that were not stable in the chase for downforce.

    The data from the wind tunnel supplied to the simulation users would not have shown what was required to predict the porpoising problems in advance. And hence the vehicle ride configuration would not have considered any possible porpoising.

    Merc's aero solution continues to be a very low rake car. That means that the aero is more sensitive to ride height changes. This means that porposiing on their car would be worse than the high rake cars.

    So in summary a series of mistakes, poor communication and poorly informed design decisions that took Merc quite some time to unravel and would have resulted in compromises in downforce and possibly ride to make the car work in a more effective operating window.

    Definitely not a consultancy opportunity for me as the egos in charge would not want an outsider to come in and do their jobs! And more importantly I do not want to have to deal with some of the toxic egos that are in leadership positions down there. I am much happier being semi retired and choosing who I talk to and work with!
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  18. cobbers

    cobbers pfm Member

    Another car park?
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  19. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    I wonder if they'll be driving limos' in the Las Vegas race ?
  20. peter bj

    peter bj pfm Member

    Too many races next year ,if it is on almost every week you begin to loose interest . When there were less races I really looked forward to them ! Unfortunately less races = less money , need I say more !
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