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Thatcher gone

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Ernie CA, Apr 8, 2013.

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  1. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    Greg,

    If I was dissatisfied with the way an employer treated me, I simply got another job. Eventually, I started my own consultancy.

    I did not need or rely on the solidarity of my fellow workers. It was my problem to sort.

    Chris
     
  2. Greg

    Greg 2t5b

    Chris, just once try to extend your imagination beyond your life experience.

    Imagine someone whose employment doesn't centre around the luck and fortune that millions of tiny creatures died and turned into hydrocarbons waiting for Chris - by luck and skill - to profit from their extraction. Thatch didn't make you money those tiny creatures made you money coupled with your application and education.

    Putting that somewhat unusual market aside, in more normal circumstances / markets life isn't so cut and dried. Hard fought employment rights matter and simply walking away and finding another job is not so straight forward. In that context there are other things to consider.

    (Please don't just copy / paste the you and yours micro speech in reply)
     
  3. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    Greg,

    If people are unwilling to take charge of their own lives, they deserve what they get.

    Chris
     
  4. bob atherton

    bob atherton pfm Member

    Won three consecutive elections, one being a landslide. Unpopular....:confused:
     
  5. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Bully for you.

    Fortunately Trades Union concerned themselves with the rights of the many, not the selfishness of the few, and did not simply run away from problems.
     
  6. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    Trades union provided a crutch for the weak.

    Chris
     
  7. stephen bennett

    stephen bennett Mr Enigma

    For me, it's the total lack of respect that the Tories have for the families whose lives were blighted by the Thatcher years and who are (mostly) the ones now suffering under coalition cutbacks.

    To spend millions of tax pounds on what is effectively a state funeral is crass tactlessness and demonstrates how little the people in power care for those they are supposed to represent. It's little wonder many people are angry - who can blame them?

    By all means let Thatcher's admirers pay for a funeral (they can afford it after all.)

    Stephen
     
  8. pure sound

    pure sound Trade: manufacturer/distributor

    Did that include one third of Cambodia's population slaughtered by the Khmer Rouge? Did they deserve to be killed by people that Thatcher & the US felt were the right people to be in charge?

    Did it include the mentally ill, put out on the streets to fend for themselves?

    I'm glad you're here Chris. A living embodiment of Thatcherism for those too stupid (or too young) to really understand what she was about. Keep it up.
     
  9. Greg

    Greg 2t5b

    concrete think.
     
  10. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    I would say "oppressed or exploited" rather than "weak" but you are finally beginning to understand. Good.
     
  11. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    Not our problem.

    Chris
     
  12. pure sound

    pure sound Trade: manufacturer/distributor

    And the mentally ill? Were they not 'our problem' either?

    I take it you would have waited until the Germans launched an attack on the UK before responding to their aggression in 1939? After all, what they were getting up to in Europe wasn't strictly speaking our problem then either.
     
  13. simeon

    simeon No fixed engagements

    Don't feed the troll
     
  14. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    Yes, they were our problem. The care in the community fiasco was a national disgrace.

    And Cambodia is 9000 miles away and of very little relevance to the UK.
    Germany was 400 miles away and posed an existential threat to the UK. If you can't appreciate the difference......

    Chris
     
  15. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Mattski, this is what you said.

    You did not qualify this statement. You only qualified the general thrust of your argument by saying that Thatcher went too far, which I obviously agree with.

    Some unions were getting a bit over zealous, but this was by no means universal and it was no excuse for Thatcher to atack both unions and individual workers in the way she did.

    Mull
     
  16. pure sound

    pure sound Trade: manufacturer/distributor

    One of many, but you evidently can't discern the differences.
     
  17. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    Thatcher lead a government, & like all governments, they screwed up a lot. Unlike a lot of governments, however, they got a lot of very, very important things right. The electorate agreed and voted for them in droves.

    Chris
     
  18. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    I have always understood the function of trades union. I have never understood why so many choose to be assimilated into that particular brand of Borg, however.

    Any body with a bit of nouse simply doesn't need them.

    Chris
     
  19. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    You fight the fights you can win, Robert. The trades union were a relatively easy target, in many cases run by dim buggers. Take down the Scargills, the Straws etc and job done.

    The markets, however, are a far more nebulous target. Rather like the collective formation flying of a large flock of birds. It is highly co-ordinated, but no one is consciously doing any coordination. And those who try usually crash & burn.

    Chris
     
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I'm curious where you actually stand. The likes of Mick simply regurgitate Tory rhetoric, but what's your view on the current 'nationalise corporate losses, privatise the profits' etc that both Conservative and Labour stand for these days?

    FWIW I class myself as a centre-ground occupier. I don't want either the failed corporate dictatorship as we have now, nor a nationalised / socialist state run by unions and the likes of Derek Hatton. There has to be something usable between these extremes (and judging by much of Scandinavia etc, there is). I'm an independent small business owner - capitalism in it's very truest sense - I'd just like a fair playing field. Ironically I believe in Thatcher's 'nation of shopkeepers' soundbite, what I don't believe in is right-wingers such as Cameron/Osborne providing dole-slaves to corporations like Poundland (how do you compete against a business with free labour?), giving failed banks £bns so they can pay their bosses £mns, allowing massive multi-national corporations to avoid tax etc, let alone diverting countless £millions of tax revenue for state political rallies (e.g. the Thatcher funeral).
     
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