Alex, I'm not convinced the Jelco sounds any better than the stock arm.
Alex, I'm not convinced the Jelco sounds any better than the stock arm.
this is similar to my experience of friends' tricked up 1200/1210 vs my own. Exactly the same opinion of the OL RB250 - neither it nor the Jelco seemed worth it over the stock arm, plus move to a Rega based arm and you lose VTA adjustment and you can't easily swap/compare carts.OK - that's interesting. I only mention the Jelco because there seems to be a bit of a consensus on it. I can say this from personal experience: I thought the stock arm sounded just as good as an Origin Live modified Rega RB250. However, when I fitted an Ekos II significantly more detail was resolved and there seemed to be more control. I'm still not happy with the way my Ekos is mounted and suspect there could be significant improvement there. That's why I reckon one needs to spend about a grand, at least, to soundly beat the stock arm. Funk FXR, SME IV, look like interesting options. Unfortunately the only way to judge is to experiment and listen for yourself.
this is what I use and for the discounted price of £345 it's by far the best improvement per £ to my 1210 of those I've tried or those my friends have had me listen to. Even at the RRP I'd probably say the same.I had a 2M Black in a previous 1210 and it sounded fabulous.
A Rega 3 matches a Tech 1200? Yeah, right. I've owned a P2, it was mediocre at best. Nice arm, the rest of it was basically a free gift and it was worth about what I paid for it. The platter wasn't even horizontal. I've had 2 P3s, one with a Linn arm (average) and one original. This last was pretty good. I liked it. Better than a Technics? No.
it's an interesting read, John. I do wonder at his own bias given he describes the SL1200 as sounding like shit, which just isn't remotely the case in my opinion.I thought for a bit of balance, I'd throw this piece out onto this thread. I especially like the shop that offered direct comparison between the Rega and Technics. I suppose he needed to remove the power supply from the Technics in order to totally transform it.
http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl53.html
it's an interesting read, John. I do wonder at his own bias given he describes the SL1200 as sounding like shit, which just isn't remotely the case in my opinion.
On the other hand I have a rough total figure in mind above which I would not spend any more money on any of my Technics TTs and would instead be putting the pennies towards a better deck. An SP10 (direct drive) would at least be a candidate along with an Idler. I just don't "feel" belt drives so this is where I probably fundamentally disagree with the author.
No, who has? The next line is "how long did you listen to each?", then "what support", "what cables", "have you lived with both" and so it goes on down the obfuscation route. I've yet to see anyone compare 2 TTs under the conditions you describe. Ever.Have you compared them side by side with the same cartridge? Was the Technics stock?
No, who has? The next line is "how long did you listen to each?", then "what support", "what cables", "have you lived with both" and so it goes on down the obfuscation route. I've yet to see anyone compare 2 TTs under the conditions you describe. Ever.
One thing I do know is I lived with a Rega 2 for 6 or 7 years, with a variety of cartridges and the standrad of engineering was always poor. That wonky platter was still wonky. It only started to sound better than my CDP when I sold it and got an LP12. Better again with a Garrard. Did I compare these with the same cart, back to back, same time, level matched, all that? No. I know it's better though.
Mind you a certain character who cannot be named, but not unlike Voldemort, started bugging that chap about the Technics TTs. That would be enough to put anyone off for lifeImagine if you will , a review of the LP12 by Peter Qvortrup and put it on an LP12 discussion ! He loathes the Linn I believe , would it offer balance ?
I just think that guy is a Techy hater , and none to fond of its fans either .
No, who has? The next line is "how long did you listen to each?", then "what support", "what cables", "have you lived with both" and so it goes on down the obfuscation route. I've yet to see anyone compare 2 TTs under the conditions you describe. Ever.
Some people like a bit of wow. They will not enjoy a Technics. It almost sounds like computer audio. The clue is when he says "and I've heard Technics turntables on several occasions, and I think they sound flat, lifeless, and downright boring compared to a decent belt-drive turntable." They hold pitch very accurately. He probably doesn't like that. They also don't come alive until you take out the power supply. It doesn't sound as though he tried that. It's a bigoted article accusing others of bigotry.
In my case, I discovered the Technics by surprise because I couldn't afford a new Akiva for my Sondek. I bought a beat-up old Technics for 200 quid as a stop-gap, expecting it to be "shit", in the words of Marc Thingy. I plugged it in and had a Damascene experience. It could hold a note and a tune and a beat like no Sondek I had ever heard. I started listening to music again, and auditioning turntables with a new perspective on what a turntable's job was. My enjoyment of vinyl is back with a vengeance. But take the power supply out.