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System Pics 2021

Discussion in 'audio' started by Whaleblue, Jan 1, 2021.

  1. RichShortland

    RichShortland pfm Member

    That's a lovely PTP deck.
    I have a 'standard' chassis Lenco in a decent plinth, with upgraded bearing and lots of care taken in the drivetrain.
    It sounds wonderful but I'd really like to move to a PTP ultimately.
    Corian seems to be emerging as the preferred plinth material, or panzerholz (if available). I think that's the way I'd end up going if/when.
  2. RoA

    RoA pfm Member

    They get a bad rap like pretty much everything that was highly rated by WhatHifi.

    It can't possibly be real Hifi.

    Very good speakers that just need a good matching (as opposed to expensive) amplifier and a 'sympathetic' room.

    Just like any other speaker then.

    They have tiny cabinets/drivers and likely need a sub, certainly for full range and are best in smallish rooms.

    I have the active version and they too ideally need a sub, especially at lower volumes. They image more on and behind the speaker line. Some may find them boring especially if coming from something more in your face, I won't naim you, but have very nice tonality and punch.

    SVS have just released their latest small sub, the 3000 Micro. I am pretty certain it would be a good match with either version of the LS50. Half the cost of the new Kef KC62 matching sub too.
  3. BlueYeti

    BlueYeti pfm Member

    Lovely looking turntable! Amazing to think its origins date back to the 60s as it looks so contemporary. It is quite a surprise that the PTP Solid9 replaced a Kuzma Ref as I thought that deck would be at the very pinnacle of LP playback. I’m particularly curious as to how Solid9 compared to the higher end Rega decks you owned? Having never heard an idler deck I’d be interested as to how their sound signature compares to other decks? The Solid9 looks beautifully finished I must say, and after doing a little further reading, I really admire the designers artisan bespoke approach.
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  4. divedeepdog

    divedeepdog pfm Member

    I’ll repeat my mantra, if you like what an idler does, there’s nothing better.
  5. RossB

    RossB Member

    Yes, the P8 is still in use and is competitive. Seriously, I could just live with the P8 as my only turntable, it is that good.

    I also had a 313VTA on my Stabi Ref for a while and I thought that was a very good combination. I regret trading the 313VTA in for the 4 Point, because that marked the point at which I I began losing interest in the Kuzma. To be clear, it is a very good turntable and fully competitive with others in its class. It is still in production after decades and is used as a reference for a very good reason. The build quality of the Kuzma arms and turntables is second to none, and if there is a turntable that will survive a nuclear war or a zombie apocalypse it will probably be a Kuzma. But it majors in accuracy, neutrality and detail and is less concerned about fun, and I really needed to bring some fun back into playing records. That doesn't seem to be a priority for a lot of high end turntable owners, or "high end audio" in general in my experience.

    The Solid 9 is the first turntable I have owned which competes with the Rega turntables on their own ground - timing, dynamics, musicality and engagement - and adds slam, bass depth, detail and tone. The Regas are also pretty good at these things, but the Solid 9 just does these things like no turntable I have owned.

    I had read comments about the dynamics of idlers and the sense of density of sound and tone, but until I heard it from the PTP I wasn't quite sure what to expect. There is an intensity of sound that is new and which I haven't heard from a belt drive. But having said that, I do still love the Regas and as I mentioned above, I could still live with the P8 as my only turntable. It is a genuinely high end turntable. I have used it with some top end cartridges - a Dynavector XV-1S, Benz Ruby, and Ortofon Cadenza Black and Bronze - some great phono stages - Naim Superline/Supercap (now sold), Rega Aura, Whest 40RDTSE and Tron/EAR MC4 - and the turntable can easily get the best out of these.

    The ceramic plattered Regas - the RP10 and P10, both of which I have owned - I am less impressed with. I have written about these a number of times in this forum and while the P10 was almost there for me, I just couldn't live with it. The platter adds drama but also an odd colouration as well as somehow removing some harmonic content and I felt it just didn't allow notes to fully develop. But the P8 is near perfect. It has a natural tonality along with the great Rega timing and is seriously competitive with any turntable I have owned and preferable to many.

    Some more photos (including electronic power supply):

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  6. mega lord

    mega lord Centre tapped

    For me that is what music is all about. Once the fun is gone then what is the point.
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  7. BlueYeti

    BlueYeti pfm Member

    @RossB Thanks for the extra detail - very informative indeed!
  8. Robby

    Robby pfm Member

    That is a great looking set up. Can I ask what rack you are using?
  9. RossB

    RossB Member

    Thanks, I always get asked that, and never know the answer. They were bought from a local store here in Sydney about a decade ago, and I have no recollection what they are.
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  10. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I’m sure Usher made something like that.
  11. RossB

    RossB Member

    Here is a current photo of the (rather messy) complete system.

    Speakers are Graham LS6.

    The dac in the picture is a Nagra Classic Dac and power supply, which is on loan while my Nagra HD Dac is being upgraded to a Tube Dac.

    There are the P8 and PTP turntables, of course. Three phono stages - the Rega Aura, Whest 40RDTSE and Tron Convergence Signatyure/EAR MC4.

    LFD integrated amp.

    At the bottom is a Niimbus US4 headphone amp, with Audeze LCD4s hidden to the side of the turntable on the right. There is also an EAR HP4 headphone amp out of the picture.

    Next to the headphone amp is a bunch of network gear not current connected - Etheregen, Optical Rendu and their power supplies.

    Cables are all from a local maker called Aurealis.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
  12. waxkinglyrical

    waxkinglyrical pfm Member

    Beautiful set up Ross, is that an LFD NCSE on the satellite system?
  13. RossB

    RossB Member

    Yes, it's the LFD NCSE III.
  14. waxkinglyrical

    waxkinglyrical pfm Member

    I’m on the the first version of the NCSE, used in conjunction with the MCT SE and am really happy, eventually though I’ll have to get back in touch with Howard Popeck and go for the upgrade which hopefully retains a lot of the original’s charm but with an extra bit of welly.
  15. pembers

    pembers pfm Member

    Just finished making this little beauty.....Sounds great so far and lots of burning in to be done.


  16. hifi-dog

    hifi-dog pfm Member

    Good work! I did a kt88 world audio integrated yrs ago but not as pretty as that. Good fun tho and it was all quiet and didn’t catch fire!
    mrlamonta, ampedup and pembers like this.
  17. geofff

    geofff 100% vinyl

    That certainly is a beauty. You must be a very proud father.
    Great photography as well.
  18. Nagraboy

    Nagraboy pfm Member

    Brand new Croft 25/7 pre-power arrived this afternoon. Lovely sound via the LS50 so far. Falcon tests to follow.

    JonR, Bettisdad, Fretbuzz and 15 others like this.
  19. hermit

    hermit obsessive

    Just to update my last post, I finally managed to source a mid century Ladderax record cabinet locally at a not insane price. :)

  20. elegguajazz

    elegguajazz New Member

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