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Super near field monitor recommendations

Discussion in 'audio' started by jamington2004, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. jamington2004

    jamington2004 pfm Member

    Thinking of giving up on IEMs which I have used last year or so - but have started getting some tinitus so want to make sure it doesn’t get worse.

    So might go to some near field monitors in my office space - maximum 75cm to 1 meter away for listening at moderate volume.

    What’s the best way to spend £2-£4K and blow my mind? :)

    Preferably active / even digital active like mini Kii Three kind of things?

    Look forward to some ideas to get me going.....
     
  2. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Eclipse TD speakers are stunning in the nearfield IME.
     
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  3. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Small Genelecs (8020) work well for me on a desk. With that kind of budget though I’d be investigating their much more expensive point source models, which should allow for very close positioning - I think the 8331 is the smallest.

    https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/genelec-ones
     
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  4. AndyU

    AndyU pfm Member

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  5. h.g.

    h.g. pfm Member

    For the budget I would be looking at 5.25"-6.5" 2 way or coaxial 3 way plus a 10" sub under the desk. I used to have a 4" 2 way without a sub at my desk which was fine for background but when I wanted to listen in the foreground and raised the volume to standard levels it was asking too much. Perhaps a sub crossed above 80 Hz would have been sufficient but if it was me I would go up a size or two on the midwoofer driver. Raise the speakers well off the desk to ear height and isolate from the desk (a large efficient sounding board) if the speakers are not mounted to a wall.

    Neumann is a brand I would consider and if you look at the distortion vs SPL data for the kh-80 and kh-120 you will see confirmation that a 4" driver is too small for normal use. At 1m, standard levels and 20 dB headroom for transients you are looking for a clean output of 105 dB but with 100 dB perhaps acceptable. The 4" driver fails this for all frequencies below about 1 kHz whereas the kh-120 with a sub will deliver clean 100 dB levels. Genelec also supply well designed and manufactured products.
     
  6. eastone

    eastone pfm Member

    For me the crucial thing would be to find something that sounds satisfying at low volumes. You don’t want to be turning it up or it’ll just aggravate your tinnitus. I have this very issue in my home office.

    I’d be looking at smaller DC Tannoys. The coaxial arrangement means they remain completely coherent even very close-up and they can sound full-bodied at low volume.
     
  7. JTC

    JTC PFM Villager...

    Following. High quality monitors for my video work would be great :)
     
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  8. mikebirtill

    mikebirtill pfm Member

    neumann, genelec or amphion would be my choice.
     
  9. mikebirtill

    mikebirtill pfm Member

    oooo I almost forgot - Quested - Quested V2104
     
  10. Gervais Cote

    Gervais Cote Predator

    Stirling LS3/5A V3 is THE one to blow MY mind but I’m old school and still believe a separate amp is better than a amplifier integrated in a loudspeaker.
    An entry level Naim or a little Croft integrated depending on your preference would make them sing if the impedance makes them enough easy to drive.
     
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  11. al2002

    al2002 pfm Member

    Super near field?

    Something with a waveguide, preferably co-axial. Genelec One series would be my first choice, followed by the KEF LS 50 (no, not active) Meta. The smaller Neumann monitors might be worth considering too.
     
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  12. jamington2004

    jamington2004 pfm Member

    Loads of good ideas all thanks - from £800 a pair Neuman - to £4K Genelec One :)

    It’s actually made me think - i reckon it’s the sound pressure of the IEMs that have caused the issues.

    And I had RAAL SR1a “earfield” monitors before that I absolutely loved but moved back to IEMs for portability. surely they would be the same as nearfield monitors in relation to damage to my ears / sound pressure?

    I mean that for the same perceived sound level in my ears - it’s the same for my ears having a pair strapped very near my ears at low volume vs 75cm away at a higher volume?
     
  13. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    ‘mini’ Kiis should arrive this Spring.
    Keith
     
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  14. jamington2004

    jamington2004 pfm Member

    Serious? I wonder how mini and how much?
     
  15. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    I wonder that too!
    Keith
     
  16. al2002

    al2002 pfm Member

    Keith, do you know if Dutch & Dutch will release a floor stander?
     
  17. jamington2004

    jamington2004 pfm Member

    Oi!! get orf moy thread!! ;)
     
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  18. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    They have some designs for a floorstander, but I don’t know how advanced they are, obviously the market for larger/more expensive models is smaller.
    Keith
     
  19. h.g.

    h.g. pfm Member

    A problem is that headphones tend generate clean high SPLs without creating distortion or adding room resonances. Perceived loudness more closely tracks an average value than a peak value. From my example above, an undersized 4" driver in a small speaker flattening the musical peaks will likely be perceived as louder than a 5.25" driver preserving the peaks because of the added distortion. Similarly room resonances will tend to increase average values and perceived loudness particularly if it is strong enough to be an unpleasant boom. It is why we need to be a bit more careful with high volumes from headphones than most speaker/room combinations.
     
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  20. Hoopsontoast

    Hoopsontoast pfm Member

    This would be my choice. Having had a fair number of full-range driver based projects, including a pair of the little TD-508, they are ideal for nearfield listening. Even with a sub to help out on the low end.
     
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