Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
They are human, however
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
As a motorcyclist, England is the country I feel least safe in. As a driver, not so.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Have you ridden in many countries?
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Italy, Crete.
boneman
pfm Member
I would not even cycle here.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
So only in Europe. You might want to try the Middle East, just for starters.
Barrymagrec
pfm Member
Least safe country to drive in, in my experience, a toss up between Turkey and Iran.
Turkey because in some places the locals were distinctly unfriendly and threatening, Iran because they drove cars as if they a horse and cart, I`m here and I want to be there, go the shortest route irrespective of traffic signs, oncoming vehicles, pedestrians.....
On the two lane and two rough hard shoulder road north out of Tehran we suddenly faced four large trucks attempting to overtake each other using both lanes and both hard shoulders - luckily I could get further off the road and let them by.
Turkey because in some places the locals were distinctly unfriendly and threatening, Iran because they drove cars as if they a horse and cart, I`m here and I want to be there, go the shortest route irrespective of traffic signs, oncoming vehicles, pedestrians.....
On the two lane and two rough hard shoulder road north out of Tehran we suddenly faced four large trucks attempting to overtake each other using both lanes and both hard shoulders - luckily I could get further off the road and let them by.
Ecuador was pretty amazing; the coaches were always on time.
They ignored cars so you just had to get off the road.
As one guy pointed out you have to bear in mind that most people hadn't seen or driven a car 30 years ago.
No rest stops so if ever there don't have a beer whilst waiting for a bus; you'll regret that an hour later.
They ignored cars so you just had to get off the road.
As one guy pointed out you have to bear in mind that most people hadn't seen or driven a car 30 years ago.
No rest stops so if ever there don't have a beer whilst waiting for a bus; you'll regret that an hour later.
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
No thanks.
I have driven in Turkey, only a short bit on a road with very little traffic. But, yeah, the traffic is pretty frantic.
We rented a car in Marocco, quite fearsome with heavy tailgating and stuff. BUT the worst offenders wheren't the Maroccans, it was European lorry drivers, full throttle and if we others hadn't moved away, God knows what would have happened!
I have driven a moped in Rome. The cars where no problem, they kept well away from the crazy mopeds. But the mopedistas! Like, if you are to turn left at the next corner it must be better to drive on the left side the whole block before it!
Sweden, UK and Holland is usually the best in road safety (in the EU) meassured in deaths per million habitants. In 2017: 25, 28, 31. It varies a bit from year to year. Comparable countries, like Finland: 42, France: 51, Germany 39 (with free speed on the AB!).
We rented a car in Marocco, quite fearsome with heavy tailgating and stuff. BUT the worst offenders wheren't the Maroccans, it was European lorry drivers, full throttle and if we others hadn't moved away, God knows what would have happened!
I have driven a moped in Rome. The cars where no problem, they kept well away from the crazy mopeds. But the mopedistas! Like, if you are to turn left at the next corner it must be better to drive on the left side the whole block before it!
Sweden, UK and Holland is usually the best in road safety (in the EU) meassured in deaths per million habitants. In 2017: 25, 28, 31. It varies a bit from year to year. Comparable countries, like Finland: 42, France: 51, Germany 39 (with free speed on the AB!).
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
But, some on this forum like to ignore the facts and just say that they feel much less safe on Britain’s roads, or some other rubbish.
Cav
pfm Member
If individuals feel that from their experience, then you are in no position to deny that.
Arkless Electronics
Trade: Amp design and repairs.
I well recall back in my London motorcycle courier days seeing a police BMW bike embedded in the side of a police ford escort at Ludgate Circus! Police and ambulances had gone by them but the crash had not yet been dealt with and the bike was so far into the car it was stood up like in some bizarre bike stand....
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
The problem is that there enough of them suffering from that delusion ( thank you Dunning-Kruger). Within a day or two of each other last week in Edinburgh, a white van took out an ITU volunteer nurse cycling and killed him and a 90 year old (it later turned out) mounted the pavement killing a three year old and injuring his mother- the ambulance passed me doing about 50mph in a tiny lane I was cycling through, about 200 yards from the scene and it was only later I found out the reason. Every day I see breathtakingly stupid/ dangerous driving in 20/30mph zones.
richardg
Admonishtrator
I do feel less safe too. Make a small mistake or do something unexpected like an emergency stop or a late indicate and expect road rage from the nearest car. There are a lot of coiled springs driving about their business in UK, seemingly looking for a fight.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Not where I live.
richardg
Admonishtrator
Come to Hull for a weekend of sightseeing by car. I'm sure you'll find some.
Exactly this but people appear more concerned by electric scooters
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Thankfully I only pass by Hull on our trips from Suffolk to Co Durham. But if I have to visit, I’ll try to avoid emergency stops while not indicating
