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sean99 said:
They might implement a points system and a "hostile environment" toward British refugees.
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On a practical level, it will be interesting to see if Brit refugees could use the Scottish NHS for free, or whether they will have to pay for it.

It wouldn't surprise me if you had to trade in your UK passport for a Scottish or Eupopean one to qualify.

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People are been played by right wing nationalists all over the UK. The idea of inherent ownership of land and of birthrights is behind most nationalistic movements.These are concepts firmly to the right of politics. Nationalists sell independence as a way to regain control from centralised government but only create a new centralised government in the new "independent" country. It does not solve the problems of inequality and fairness that many people believe, it only shifts power to different people. This is not a solution to the problems we face in the UK. Countries only exist as they are because of historic isolation and random acts by those in control in the past . Returning to those past orders is a step backward for mankind in general.
 
spxy said:
People are been played by right wing nationalists all over the UK. The idea of inherent ownership of land and of birthrights is behind most nationalistic movements.These are concepts firmly to the right of politics. Nationalists sell independence as a way to regain control from centralised government but only create a new centralised government in the new "independent" country. It does not solve the problems of inequality and fairness that many people believe, it only shifts power to different people. This is not a solution to the problems we face in the UK. Countries only exist as they are because of historic isolation and random acts by those in control in the past . Returning to those past orders is a step backward for mankind in general.
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In practice however the people of Scotland may well be presented with the option of remaining under the jackboot of a far-right Tory party that care nothing for Scotland and are bringing in disasters like Brexit, or voting for independence in order to be governed by people that actually care about the country rather than just a way that suits the purse strings of Tory party sponsors.
 
Brian said:
:rolleyes:

Yes, discussing nationalism seriously with nationalists does tend to be a waste of time and effort.

There is going to be a lot of angst among the nationalists between now and at least 2024. It's going to be a painful time for some.
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I wouldn't know about that. I don't discuss politics, I was providing a cultural perspective.
 
Seanm said:
Exactly - so why lay this at Leonard’s feet? It’s a disaster decades in the making. Murray seemingly desperate to hang the corpse. I didn’t understand any of it until Nandy’s gaffe. That really brought it home. Colonial mindset, absolutely ingrained in the party, even Corbyn showed no appetite for taking it on.
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Regarding Nandi, I’m not sure people outside Scotland appreciate how jarring this kind of statement sounds. With the Tories it’s expected but coming from politicians who’s values are more widely respected, it just comes across as completely out of touch with majority opinion here. Nor am I convinced Westminster or the London-based media understand the scale of the ground swell in support for the SNP- the shift has been massive. I’m even hearing folk who’d never previously have dreamed of voting SNP now grudgingly expressing respect for Sturgeon.
 
I believe the point is not whether Scotland will be better or worse off independent of the UK, but are free to determine their own affairs.
Scotland by nature is a predominantly socialist country usually at odds with whoever sits in Westminster over the last 40 years. I would have thought successive Tory governments and the right wing would be supportive of Scottish independence because they don't need the Scottish vote. I recall in the noughties the Torys having 1 MP for about 10 years.
It shows with the rise of and now dominance of the SNP that the Scottish electorate don't feel sufficiently represented by Westminster.
Labour don't look likely to regain the majority of Scottish seats they once had, makes me think independence is inevitable.
 
I worry for Nicola and the SNP since Ruth Davidson stepped down from the Conservatives. She knew she had to play at the top of her game when she had a decent opponent, now there's little to keep her on her toes once Covid is over.

As for Scotland and finances, we're a long way off having the infrastructure to cope with being independent. It's perfectly doable but we need to look at countries like Estonia for better ways to a a thriving economy and fair taxation rather than just recreating a Scottish HMRC. I've yet to see a forward looking plan for Scotland that shows a positive future and how to get there.
 
Bit of a tumble weed moment...1 hour has elapsed since any of the usual know-alls on here have commented/replied....

I think your different opinion has flummoxed them allied to the fact that as you appear to live in Scotland, you probably know what you're on about.

Good Scottish name and Trainspotting referenced Avatar too.
 
I'm not Scottish, but come from That Other Island Next Door (no, the bigger one). I've often thought that it would be nice to have a united group of the Celtic countries of the British Isles. At the moment, not at all feasible and I'm not even sure how it could be implemented, but we all have more in common than we do with Westminster.
 
tones said:
I'm not Scottish, but come from That Other Island Next Door (no, the bigger one). I've often thought that it would be nice to have a united group of the Celtic countries of the British Isles. At the moment, not at all feasible and I'm not even sure how it could be implemented, but we all have more in common than we do with Westminster.
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Oh don't. You'll set the bloody Cornish off. :D
 
TheDecameron said:
It’s often confusing trying to observe from a distance and relying on London based newspaper coverage.
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When I used to split my time between Edinburgh and London it was interesting to see the different way the same newspaper used to present things in their Scottish and English editions. Sometimes they'd take a complete difference stance and certainly it might be difficult getting a realistic view of the political situation in Scotland if relying on the press in England. I'm half English and half Scottish so have a foot in both camps even if I no longer have a London home.
 
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