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Scottish Independence - Court case lost

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Brian, Nov 23, 2022.

  1. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    I like the idea, but I'm afraid you're going to have to wait a wee while for that one. The conundrum of three-quarters of as million unwilling Unionists has not been solved, and it'll be some time before more sensible people are present in sufficient numbers.

    P.S. In today's Irish Times:

    A Border Poll this decade remains likely and preparing for it is essential
    The evidence-based, constructive, civic dialogue on how best to achieve Irish unity defies the noisy, ugly caricatures of its critics

    The IT has conducted a number of surveys, and the results are interesting.
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2022
  2. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

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  3. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Rishi Sunak and Nicola Sturgeon to hold talks in Scotland

    Source: BBC

    The nationalists lost the court case so let’s hope Sturgeon can talk about something other than a referendum on breaking up the UK. For example, the UK NHS and the cost of living in the UK.
  4. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    It appears she could not.

    Source: BBC

    For those who dislike flags there are plenty on show at the BBC link, though of course, they are in Scotland, so no worries. :)
  5. monkfish

    monkfish Grubby Tory enabler

    Are you answering yourself for a reason, is no one else interested ?
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  6. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    It’s hilarious.
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  7. cctaylor

    cctaylor pfm Member

    I think that the SNP are using the row over the Gender Assignment law as the first round of the Indyref2 campaign.
  8. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    Yes, it doesn’t really matter what the issue is, it’s just something topical and convenient to have a political fight about and argue why independence is essential.
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  9. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    ^^^ total bollocks, of course...
    Amen to that last sentence.
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  10. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    ^^^ No, not really.
  11. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    The Gender Recognition bill was passed by a 2/3 majority of Scotland’s Parliament. Members of every party represented, inc the Tories, voted in favour of the bill. It had been amended debated at great length with wide community consultation.

    The action of the Conservative Govt in Westminster has the appearance of sheer opportunism. They will fight their culture war in every corner of these islands.
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  12. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Katy Montgomerie is really worth listening to on this one, she manages to pack heck a lot of facts into a two minute answer (Twitter). As with everything the Tories do the optics are everything. They saw an opportunity to bash both the SNP and the trans community and jumped at it seemingly without grasping the scope of existing law. I sincerely hope it ends up in a court very soon. I’ll certainly help crowd fund legal action if there is an opportunity.
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  13. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    I guess it comes down to whether 16 year olds can make that decision . Keir and rishi think not
  14. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    They aren’t alone in that.

    I deleted this and some other important info yesterday because it’s a topic that can’t be discussed in a mature and rational manner, however, the info is relevant to recent posts.

    Whatever some wish to force onto people as truth, there is not universal support for the bill in Scotland, or within the nationalist party.

    Source: The Guardian

    Polling of Scots reported by The Herald
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2023
  15. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Just saw this one.

    Trans prisoners in Scotland to be placed according to birth gender

    The full report should be published but party politics comes first.

    Source: BBC
  16. monkfish

    monkfish Grubby Tory enabler

    You stand with Douglas Ross on this then?
  17. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    I know you won’t understand, but trying to pin me in the same camp as Ross doesn’t work. For me, a tory such as Ross and a nationalist such as Sturgeon both buy into horrible ideology, I stand by neither and I despise what they stand for.

    In my view, the subject is more important than your nationalism. The report should be published in full. Do you support that or not, or is there no limit to the depth nationalists will go?
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  18. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    I think you know the answer to that Brian. There really isn’t. Independence at any cost, that’s the #1 objective. Little difference to UKIP when it comes down to it.
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  19. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I know things are tough right now guys but c’mon. Tory and ‘anti-Tory’ meet and make love? OK, provided its behind closed doors.
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