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Sansui TU217

Mike1965

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My Sansui TU-217 is needing a service I think. It stays in tune ok but when I change stations it is not as easy to tune in as it was. Nothing else has changed, signal strength is just as before. What has always been a little bit off is the dial does not quite line up with the station frequency such as BBC R2 instead of 89.9 is just over 90. Is this to do with alignment?
Are there any recommended analogue tuner specialists near Edinburgh?
Thanks
 
My Sansui TU-217 is needing a service I think. It stays in tune ok but when I change stations it is not as easy to tune in as it was. Nothing else has changed, signal strength is just as before. What has always been a little bit off is the dial does not quite line up with the station frequency such as BBC R2 instead of 89.9 is just over 90. Is this to do with alignment?
Are there any recommended analogue tuner specialists near Edinburgh?
Thanks
I enjoy a TU-217 here, myself. It gives very little away to my NAT02 on sound quality, whilst having the advantage of far better sensitivity than the Naim. IIRC, I paid roughly $US 1000. plus shipping and customs duty for the NAT02 (used) and $CDN 60. for the Sansui (also used).:rolleyes:

Physical alignment of the pointer wrt tuned frequency consists of two relatively minor steps* in what is generally referred to as tuner alignment. Misalignment of the tuning dial pointer relative to a given tuned frequency is but a minor annoyance, whilst voltages to such as the IF coil and/or discriminator coil going off can make an FM tuner sound worse than AM. I had a Marantz tuner given to me (coincidentally by the fellow who I had purchased the matching Sansui AU-217 integrated amp from) that was so far out of alignment that listening to our best FM (CBC over here) made one feel as though one were having a minor stroke (which the CBC can well do on its own these days). I sold it off as needing an alignment and the bloke who came by to collect it thought it sounded fine!

WRT ease of tuning, there are a number of possibilities as to why your tuning has seemingly become more difficult. For one, the centre tuning meter may be out of alignment, meaning that, if you are using it rather than simply listening for best sound reproduction, it may seem as though the tuner has become more difficult to tune, when in fact it is just the centre tuning meter that has gone off relative to a given tuned frequency.

Unfortunatly, one need have a lot of test gear to do a full alignment. Most electronics repair techs don't bother (or haven't a clue) these days. I've never attempted such myself, however, if I did have access to the test gear, I'd certainly give it a go. Service manuals such as those provided by Sansui (and others from 'back in the day') spell this out in great detail.


* Typically aiming for both maximum signal strength meter indication and centre tuning indication at circa 90 and 106MHz frequencies (using an FM standard signal generator as source). Somewhat of a 'Catch-22', as those meters need aligning first.
 
Hi Craig, thanks for the informative reply. I also have a Leak Troughline with a One Thing Audio decoder but sadly the aerial I have doesn't have a strong enough signal. I really like the little Sansui it sounds good but I have minimal technical skills so I would need to get it serviced by someone who knows what to do. Possibly Jez Arkless could help but I don't know if he does tuners?
 
Hi Craig, thanks for the informative reply. I also have a Leak Troughline with a One Thing Audio decoder but sadly the aerial I have doesn't have a strong enough signal. I really like the little Sansui it sounds good but I have minimal technical skills so I would need to get it serviced by someone who knows what to do. Possibly Jez Arkless could help but I don't know if he does tuners?
You are welcome, Mike.

As yours is sounding good, it likely won't benefit as much on performance grounds vs. say the centre tuning meter becoming useful again.

I wish I had made a recording of that old freebie Marantz to share. When tuners are that far out they are unlistenable. The Marantz wasn't a classic '70s 'Gyro-touch' tuning model else I would have spent the money to have it properly fettled someplace.

Craig
 
Hi Craig, thanks for the informative reply. I also have a Leak Troughline with a One Thing Audio decoder but sadly the aerial I have doesn't have a strong enough signal. I really like the little Sansui it sounds good but I have minimal technical skills so I would need to get it serviced by someone who knows what to do. Possibly Jez Arkless could help but I don't know if he does tuners?

Only high end models as even checking alignment is so complex that it will almost always cost more than the value of the tuner.
 
Only high end models as even checking alignment is so complex that it will almost always cost more than the value of the tuner.
Hi Jez, thanks for the input. Sometimes when a piece of equipment is satisfying to use and listen to it may be worth servicing? Would you consider having a look? I like the style of it too...
 
I must admit, internet 'Radio' is so convenient, that I no longer own a tuner. I love the time shifting aspect of it too, because I hardly ever listen to programmes live any more. My 'Radio' is a Toshiba Satellite Laptop - M2Tech HiFace Two - Maplin DAC & it sounds ok to me!
 
Over the years, I've had a few tuners;

Hitachi FT-5500 MKII

NAIM NAT101 / SNAPS

Rogers T75

DENON TU-560L

Creek CAS3140

Leak Troughline

Leak Stereofetric

In fact, thinking about it, the Denon is up in the loft, and the Stereofetic is in the cupboard under the stairs, so I wasn't being entirely truthful it seems, when I claimed not to own a tuner!

I had a Nytech CTA252XDII as well, though that was a receiver.
 
What did you like the most? You have had a few classics!

The problem was, that I was neve able to get a proper Arial erected, so the results will always be compromised. The Hitachi was cold sounding and the Leaks need a lot of signal, so The Naim was best though it was a bit mickey mouse in it's design and changing the lamp was a PITA too! At the moment I'm happy with the digital set up, though I don't doubt that a decent analogue tuner would sound better. It's a shame that getting tuners aligned is so difficult & expensive.
 
Fortunately the VHF section of most tuners never breaks.
Most problems are the usual electrolytic capacitors, tuning voltage, display and for some strange reason the quadrature coil tuning
 
I seem to have sorted the tuning issue, for now anyway, (by switching the band selector on the Sansui TU-217 between AM and FM a few times) I was listening to The Blues Show on Radio 2 earlier and it sounded the best I've heard it. Tone, richness & body with a presence and solidity only heard from analogue sources. I have read so many times over the years about the decline in FM sound quality from the BBC but I couldn't fault it tonight.

Everything was in perfect balance from the weighty tuneful bass right to the smooth top end. A lovely natural sound.

If the Sansui ever does fail in my remaining lifetime I am sure I would just get another one.

The needle still doesn't line up but as the 217 has no dial lights I can't see from my chair anyway!

My memory is unpredictable and my system is completely different to what had gone before but it's more enjoyable and involving than all the tuners I have used before


Technics STG70L

Quad FM4

Edinburgh Wireless Company Tuner

I briefly used a Naim NAT01 that was so real I could almost feel a draught on an outside broadcast

Too expensive for me though.

The next best thing to the Sansui was my first tuner, a NAD 4020A which I had before the Edinburgh Wireless Co tuner.
 


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