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SACD Renaissance?

Discussion in 'audio' started by DimitryZ, Jan 18, 2021.

  1. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    I am seeing more SACD choices on Amazon - Miles, Dire Straits, Cranberries, Gilberto, Stevie Ray Vaughn, etc.

    As a huge fan, I am hoping for more!
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  2. fred sonnen

    fred sonnen pfm Member

    What use is the SACD/DSD label on the CD if the base material used is PCM. According to my research, this is very (!) often the case beyond classical music.
    I have examined many DSD files which then turned out to be nothing beyond 21 KHz -> PCM red book. For me, this is bullshit.
    AndyU, TheDecameron and jamjar784 like this.
  3. marshanp

    marshanp ellipsis addict

    My understanding is that SACD makes the DAC's job simple - that is where its advantage, if any, lies. Assuming that exactly the same mastering is used for SACD and CD layers (a big assumption) I can detect a subtle benefit. The recorded acoustic, which matters a lot to me, is more present.

    Of course, the real reason for SACD wasn't sonic so much as DRM-related, in that they are not easily rippable (I haven't managed yet, anyway). The supposed substantial improvement in sound quality was largely an invention of the marketing department...
  4. fred sonnen

    fred sonnen pfm Member

    Regarding ripping AFAIK this is the org. Thread
    I hope it is not forbidden to link it?
  5. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    Are any DSD files available by streaming? Can they even be handled by regular software? Can regular free-standing USB/Coax Dacs that we all use handle this stuff natively?

    I have an Universal Marantz player. I think the only SACD I have is a dual layer DSOTM special edition.

    The ripping of SACD seems like a right old game - more a hobby for the determined than a reasonable option for the common audiophile!
  6. simon g

    simon g Older, wiser & retired

    Some Blu Ray players will pass DSD through HDMI (no conversion to PCM); you then need a DAC that is DSD capable with HDMI inputs, of which there are quite a few.
  7. uncl_nigel

    uncl_nigel pfm Member

    I have found nothing of interest available as a legal download in DSD to Europe (what I have found has been limited to the USA and/or Canada). Not found anything to stream either.
    My dCS DAC handles DSD natively (and does a very good job of it too), but then it upsamples everything to DSD in the first place.
  8. Chris Marshall

    Chris Marshall pfm Member

    There is quite a bit of software that will play ripped or downloaded DSD files.

    Ripping is a bit of a project but with the latest software it's actually really simple once set up, little different than ripping a CD. There is a thread here with a bit more info.


  9. uncl_nigel

    uncl_nigel pfm Member

    But are they really worth the exorbitant prices? £45 + delivery for a "Best of..."! (Cranberries Stars @ amazon uk)
  10. The Bish

    The Bish pfm Member

    I've got a Yamaha multi-format player - it will only output SACD via analogue processed with the onboard DAC.
  11. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    It's more audiophile? :D
  12. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    There are site which sell DSD downloads, f.e.
  13. Nagraboy

    Nagraboy pfm Member

    I ripped all my SACD’s DSD layer 18 months ago. I now stream them with Roon to my DAC via DoP. Recently, I’ve started converting all DSD to PCM in Roon so that I can digitally attenuate the DAC output and equalise the volume control position between my digital and analogue sources.
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  14. Tarzan

    Tarzan pfm Member

    l wished l knew what you are talking about.:D:D
  15. Nagraboy

    Nagraboy pfm Member

    Do pay attention at the back, Andrew! :p
    Tarzan likes this.
  16. G T Audio

    G T Audio Trade: Manufacturer and Distributor

    SACDs, as well as CDs are still very popular in the far east. I am talking about playing these via good quality SACD/CD players, not streaming...
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  17. daytona600

    daytona600 Registered User

    Audiophile labels are still putting out new SACDs every week
  18. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    Well, I didn't know....As a fan, I wanted to own all Cranberries releases...So $42 seemed OK.
  19. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    If a high quality analog or hirez digital master is available, why wouldn't SACD capture that information? My understanding that music has been recorded in 24/96 PCM for some time. Can't a hirez PCM be encoded into a DSD SACD?

    SACD remains as the only commercially available high resolution physical digital format.
  20. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    A while ago I got a copy of Monk's Dream by the Thelonious Monk Quartet on SACD. The SACD layer was mastered from the original analogue tapes so it's unlikely it's been through a PCM conversion.

    All I can say is that my socks have not been seen for quite some time.

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