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Roe vs Wade overturned

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Joco, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. Darmok

    Darmok "cur tali Incustodito dedistis amori"

    Tis only a cult based on an idea of an architect, a creator of the universe.

    A dangerous notion...

    In reality, it is preposterous.
  2. martin clark

    martin clark pinko bodger

    < ...must ...resist ...>

    easily done, it'd have nothing to do with the appalling SCOTUS decision this thread is about, which results from the Pharisee-like American Christianism capture of the Judiciary.
    Darmok likes this.
  3. monkfish

    monkfish Tory enabler

    Just like any other religious nonsense, oh no they'll get medieval on my ass for that.
    Darmok likes this.
  4. Peter Dyer

    Peter Dyer Member

    Embryo = collection of cells
    Child = collection of cells
    You = collection of cells
    Elephant = collection of cells
    Duck-billed Platypus = collection of cells

    No need to bring religion into it.
  5. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    No. A child is a collection of cells that have become a baby by virtue of being born. Before being born, it is a foetus, and before that a zygote, and before that a blob of jelly. If you care to read the context you will see that my blob of jelly remark was aimed at those who insist that legal abortion is the killing of a child. By any definition other than the religious, It is not.
  6. hc25036

    hc25036 pfm Member

    You are rather confusing a collection of cells performing some basic biochemistry and Elul are organisation that has a decent - but not definite - shot at becoming sentient to various collections of cells that have passed through that phase and have finalised the biochemistry that meets the usual definition of alive and capable of independent function.
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  7. Darmok

    Darmok "cur tali Incustodito dedistis amori"

    Roe v Wade
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez calls for supreme court justices to be impeached

    The congresswoman says Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch lied under oath to Congress about their views on Roe
    Ramon Antonio Vargas


    Ocasio-Cortez’s remarks took aim at justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch. Both were appointed by former president Donald Trump and had signaled that they would not reverse the supreme court’s landmark 1973 decision in Roe v Wade during confirmation hearings as well as in meetings with senators.

    This has great potential.

    Hope she succeeds.
    Weekender, stairpost, Nick_G and 3 others like this.
  8. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    It's up to the sovereign states.
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  9. mykel

    mykel Perpetual Hack.

  10. garyi

    garyi leave blank

    As an aside from you slightly bizarre concern with the odd handshake society (did you know they get free RAC membership), I love the Square and Compass, have been there many a time when down in that there Dorset.
  11. boneman

    boneman pfm Member

    Sadly this will never happen. Biden doesn't even have the moxy to expand the Supreme Court. Much as I could not stand the orange one he would be right in there doing just that or trying to get them impeached. The best hope is the voters. Polls indicate that the majority are for the right to choose. Now is the time to step up in the mid-term elections. If the voters miss this opportunity I fear that other rights will crumble like a house of cards.
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  12. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    No microscopes back then.
  13. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    A good John Thomson gag…

  14. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    And none of them are women.
  15. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Some epic trolling by an inanimate body of water here (Twitter).
  16. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    I'm hoping for a disasterous outcome for the Republicans in the mid terms, giving the Dems enough of a majority for abortion rights to be codified into federal law. Obama promised to do this and then didn't.

    Hopefully this appalling decision won't last for long.
  17. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Millions of American women and girls have declared themselves corporations in order to force the United States Supreme Court to grant them rights as people, legal observers have reported.

    Attorneys across the nation indicated that they have been swamped by requests from clients seeking to incorporate as soon as possible. “The Supreme Court decided in 2010 that corporations are people, so all we want is to be treated like corporations, ” Carol Foyler, who now goes by the corporate name FoylerCo L.L.C., said.

    The decision by millions of women to incorporate sent shock waves through the Court’s conservative majority, who reportedly scoured the Constitution in vain for a means to circumvent the ingenious tactic. Even the normally taciturn Clarence Thomas was moved to issue a rare public statement. “It’s a sad day in America when the nation’s highest court is forced to treat women like people,” he wrote.
    Darmok, CarrotMan, Yank and 2 others like this.
  18. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    An interesting and important chart, in light of the Supreme Court's recent decision:


    What are the chances of a Democratic Party fight back at the state level?
  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    There was apparently another Supreme Court vote recently enabling teachers to preach religion in school in true Taliban style. The gap between church and state effectively removed and given the white Christian fascism trajectory of the USA at present truly chilling. Opens the door even further for the demonising and eventual eradication of LGBTQ+ folk’s basic right to exist.
  20. Paul R

    Paul R pfm Member

    Why do you draw a distinction at 'being born'? That's purely a transition from one support environment to another.

    Termination at birth is clearly 'killing a child', termination shortly after conception equally clearly not. At some point in time between the status changes. Almost everybody, including most American voters, agrees broadly with this and while they might disagree with where the cut off should be, agree there should be a cut off and terminations should be freely available before. It's entertaining to see someone so clear about their opinion, most 'pro-choice' extremists, cannot quite bring themselves to articulate it. And you find yourself at odds with Roe-v-Wade, which is quite ironic.

    FWIW I think the Roe-v-Wade and Casey update were bad, because they created law that should have been written by legislatures in conjunction with medical and scientific advice and then tested for constitutionality. The court found a right to termination, which is fair enough, and that the state had an interest in the foetus, which is also fair enough, and then it tried to reconcile the contradiction. Properly a job for politicians accountable to the electorate.

    FWIW2 we're on the way to similar controversy. The UK law needs revision to make it clear a pregnant woman has a right to a termination, and to bring the time limit back below viability. This would also bring the UK more into line with the rest of Europe, so I would expect wide support....
    Richard Lines and Brian like this.

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