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Roe vs Wade overturned

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Joco, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Really?
    I responded to a simple one liner where you declared your unconditional 'pro life' views.
    Whatever you may have said elsewhere doesn't trump that.
    You are on the back foot.
    Have the grace to acknowledge that.
     
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  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The Onion still going in hard on this one. Refreshing to see usually fairly lightweight
    satirical entities like this properly put the boot in when it needs doing.

    PS I mentioned on the Glastonbury thread, but worth repeating here too, that Megan Thee Stallion had the whole massive crowd chanting “my body, my motherf***ing choice”. Remarkably powerful.
     
  3. gordon

    gordon self-righteous, but never right

    Google will allow employees affected by RvW apply for transfer “without justification.” Google has offices in Austin and Alabama. Not sure if this is just a gesture or more, but I can see other companies following suit.
     
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  4. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    There is a growing list of companies that will fund travel. IMO, their leadership deserves a lot of credit for acting swiftly to support their female employees.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/tech/companies-abortion-reaction/index.html
     
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  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    There’s a lot of folk on Twitter at the moment offering support for those who need somewhere safe to stay out of state etc. Some literally opening their homes to strangers as they are so horrified by this ruling. Huge amounts of kindness on show and the Google story is far from the first I’ve heard of businesses offering similar. There are a lot of really good people out there.
     
  6. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    In the next few years we will see some of these companies relocate.

    If things really get nuts we might see something as major as Disney leaving Florida. Seems unlikely, but it would be delicious.
     
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  7. ErikL

    ErikL pfm Member

  8. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    These companies will be targeted by the Traliban, just as Disney was.
    Other companies will move to these redneck states, just like Tesla has from California to Texas.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2022
  9. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    I can’t speak about the rise of the Christian Right in the US (but it did thrive under Regan’s crusades against the evil empire) but neoliberalism was taken up by Thatcher and Regan after the inflation caused by the oil shocks of the 70”s. The central drive of neoliberal economics was control of inflation at any cost, unfortunately that cost was high unemployment and the creation of the rust belt in the US and the Northern industrial wastelands in the U.K. Apart from the unemployment and decades of poverty, the Rust Belt and the Northern Wastelands gave us Trump and Brexit, and, ironically, high inflation sustained until the next economic crash, caused incidentally, by the de-regulation of the financial markets carried out in accordance with neoliberal economic directives
     
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  10. Suffolk Tony

    Suffolk Tony Aim low, achieve your goals, avoid disappointment.

    Mrs Betty Bowers explains the Christian position -

     
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  11. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Characterising what for the vast majority of women, and men, is a very traumatic decision as “selfishness” is rather gross. You are entitled to your anti abortion point of view, but you are not entitled to force your morality on other people. But in the case of Roe v Wade, it isn’t just the imposition of a personal moral point of view that is so objectionable, but the imposition of Religious Point of View driven by wealth and a right wing political agenda that takes us from the objectionable and towards the undemocratic
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2022
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  12. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    An interesting article from a few years back looking at what happens in countries where there is no recourse to safe legal abortion.

    Even though abortion is illegal in El Salvador, one in three pregnancies still ends in abortion, Oberman says. Many women there who want to abort their pregnancies do it by finding misoprostol on the street. According to Oberman, those who do die from abortion-related causes in the country fall into roughly three categories ... First, some doctors refuse to treat pregnant women with chemotherapy or other potent medications because they are worried they might harm the fetus. Second, some doctors allow ectopic pregnancies—in which a fertilized egg grows outside the womb and can’t survive to birth—to continue until the woman’s fallopian tube explodes, because they fear that eggs in even ectopic pregnancies will be considered living beings under the law. In the third category are teenage girls who kill themselves because they are distraught over their pregnancies. These teenage deaths account for three-eighths of all maternal deaths in El Salvador.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/how-many-women-die-illegal-abortions/572638/
     
  13. wulbert

    wulbert pfm Member

    Your view is sentimental, irrational and cruel.

    Sentimental because you put the "rights" of a developing foetus, a group of cells, which in your belief system is "a child", before the rights of an actual, fully developed fellow adult human being who is making a difficult and painful, life-changing decision. Sentimentality and cruelty often go hand-in-hand, in my experience. ( "Selfish parent" )

    Irrational because your view goes against the reality of human life, where people are not perfect and women can become pregnant without planning it. You want to legislate for a perfect world that no-one lives in and only exists inside your own mind. That is cruel and irrational. Your mind is closed; "it's doubtful I will change my stance...".

    Adult people are in charge of their own bodies and cells. A foetus, on the way to becoming a baby, is not separate from the mother. It is her own flesh and blood. They are one deeply-interconnected being for a very long time, and total dependancy lasts for, at the very least, two years or more after birth. The scientific evidence for this is well-documented and life-long damage results from separating a baby from it's birth mother.
    A woman can't nurture a pregnancy for 9 months, undergoing massive physiological and emotional change, give birth (another massive, life-changing event) and then hand a child over, like an unwanted package. To think this is a good outcome shows your total ignorance of life-as-it-is and displays your lack of love and empathy. You are one cold fish.

    Your "stance" does not come from a place of love my friend, it comes from a nasty, dark, vengeful part of your being. Take a good look in the mirror.
     
  14. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Yes, goes much further back that Regan, it comes out of economists like Hayek and Milton Friedman in the 50’s, and, as they both challenged Keynes by looking back to 19c Classic Economics, perhaps even further.
     
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  15. Durmbo

    Durmbo not French

    Holy mother. I cannot "like" your post. That report is astounding in its grimness.
     
  16. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    This is the fundamental problem with Roe v Wade; banning legal abortion will not ban abortion, it will just de-professionalise abortion and make it a lot more dangerous. Pro Life legislation will inevitably lead to many deaths.
     
  17. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Trump boasts he can "grab any pussy" he wants...and we all know that grabbing leads to something close to rape. Tax evasion and not paying his debts will pay for it.
    BJ can shag any woman he wants and father numerous children because the taxpayer will pay for them one fake job or another.
    But if any poor woman gets pregnant and needs an abortion let her die. Thoughts and prayers.
     
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  18. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    [TONGUEINCHEEK] This is the problem with neoliberalism; it not only looks back to a 19th century economic model, it also looks back to a 19th century attitude to women, workers and tax [/TONGUEINCHEEK]

    Actually, that’s not so tongue-in-cheek, it is very much where we were and in so many respects, where we we have returned to.
     
  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Trump rally: “…historic victory for white life yesterday in the Supreme Court” (Twitter).
     
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Here’s that Megan Thee Stallion section from last night I referred to earlier (Twitter). That chant is just amazing. It will likely be my Glastonbury highlight for this year!

    And here is Olivia Rodrigo calling out the five far-right Supreme Court Justices by name at Glastonbury (Twitter).

    Good on both of them. Music is an exceptionally powerful platform for protest and should be used. Respect.
     

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