flutteringwow
She called me baby, like an old romantic
Yeah we should keep our mouths shut about historical injustices. Makes sense that. Best not to talk about it.
RIP Denmark St
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Yeah we should keep our mouths shut about historical injustices. Makes sense that. Best not to talk about it.
blossomchris
I feel better than James Brown
Yes, nail on the head, all you can offer up is talk, and we know that does not work
klfrs
chill out
A few years ago residents of a large estate in NW London organised to stop cleansing of their community by developers/council and prevailed.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
But Denmark St isn't to my knowledge a crime hotspot (unless you count some of the prices!)
When I lived in Camden I would regularly see phones and bags snatched. My understanding is that a lot of this petty crime was done by people with substance addiction problems.
Building swanky hotels and immersive brand experiences doesn't reduce crime it just moves it a mile down the road. Makes it Someone Else's Problem.
blossomchris
I feel better than James Brown
Yes, years ago. Was it Brent btw?
flutteringwow
She called me baby, like an old romantic
Isn't that what you've just done? offered up 'talk'?
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
of course it can be stopped - it has been stopped here, and in other local towns.
As for Denmark St, it was unloved and unwanted by all apart from those wearing rose tinted glasses.
My mother was born on isle of dogs near the docks, my grandfather was a docker. They moved out to the suburbs (which were then Hackney), when different communities started to move in. They complained of cultural vandalism. Interestingly when i took my mum back recently she thought all the new developments were fantastic, and way better than in the years she was bought up in.
As for Denmark St, it was unloved and unwanted by all apart from those wearing rose tinted glasses.
My mother was born on isle of dogs near the docks, my grandfather was a docker. They moved out to the suburbs (which were then Hackney), when different communities started to move in. They complained of cultural vandalism. Interestingly when i took my mum back recently she thought all the new developments were fantastic, and way better than in the years she was bought up in.
blossomchris
I feel better than James Brown
time for some more glueing up I think
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
making anything interesting Chris?
flutteringwow
She called me baby, like an old romantic
Its a shame someone on the equivalent of your families wage cant live there anymore.
I am sure its lovely to see million pound one bedroom flats because they are all clean and tidy and new, shame no working class person can own one, like they could in your mothers day.
Tories often forget that when they see the glamour of development.
blossomchris
I feel better than James Brown
bit of modelling adding a few finishing touches. not good enough yet to post pics Simon
klfrs
chill out
Maybe two or three years ago. Appologies as I can't remember, or find related reports online.
Resistance and campaigning does work. Not always, but giving up plays into the hands of the cleansers.
So does short term thinking.
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Brown Bottle
UTB
I must have been dreaming last week when I walked down Denmark Street and it was full of guitar shops!
Cheers BB
Cheers BB
klfrs
chill out
Were there any mature lycra clad gents about?
Brown Bottle
UTB
I didn’t notice, my attention was taken by a very tastefully pimped Triump Speed Twin parked outside one of the shops.
Cheers BB
miktec
retired
Those were the days eh - when you could live near central London in an absolute shit heap and get paid a pittance for a job in a badly lit and unventilated factory or down the docks that would effectively cripple you and reduce your life expectancy to the high 50s (if you were lucky) ....
Still, if you were very fortunate you could always get a cuppa in a Lyons on your monthly day off and stroll around a park chirping the latest Cockney ditty.
flutteringwow
She called me baby, like an old romantic
I think comparing social conditions is rather futile, and rather crude.
While we may have a higher (better?) standard of living now, poverty is probably equally if not worse in some areas.
So yes, one may not be breaking their backs in a factory, but they are getting paid tuppence a parcel running round like a mad person delivering boxes with zero job security, no holidays etc and priced out of their home town considerably with zero chance of any social housing and even less of a chance of owning their own home.
So yeah great, they may get to do that beyond fifty, high five.
So it may be nice for Grandma to see all the nice shiny flats and remember her tougher life, but world conditions where entirely different in her time. If you told Grandma she would be moved away from all her friends and family and her job and the entire community she had grown up and developed a life with so some foreign investor could buy her home, Grandma would have a different opinion of the shiny flats.
It would have been nice for those areas to see improvements for the people that lived there, rather than moving them out for newer, 'higher class' (wealthier) folk. Which is my entire point. Gentrification, on a whole, is toxic.
flutteringwow
She called me baby, like an old romantic
Exactly , i think he is missing the point considerably.