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Right To Repair

Discussion in 'audio' started by Tony L, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. Brian Ellis

    Brian Ellis pfm Member

    This is a prime example of obscene wastefulness, there should absolutely be a way to replace the battery's in most rechargeable devices.
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  2. Neil P

    Neil P pfm Member

    Are there any UK forums for advice on repairing household electrical items (non hifi). E.g. my three year old £50 kettle won't switch off once boiling. I'm loath to replace it!
  3. toprepairman

    toprepairman pfm Member

    Indeed and try buying one not made in China.
  4. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    That might be hard - China is the production centre of the world these days!
  5. Neil P

    Neil P pfm Member

    Don't get me started! I did google how to do it (seems it is possible ... with a soldering iron) but its a step too far for most people (me included). Why not have a screw base as you say.
  6. Operajulian

    Operajulian Opera Julian

    Is the little hole that leads to the thermostat blocked with limescale ? water starts to,triggers the cut out switch.

    When we lived in Banff/Rocky Mountains - very high up - the kettles never switched off due to the altitude - tried three different models.
  7. duckworp

    duckworp pfm Member

    What’s the problem with them being made in China?
  8. toprepairman

    toprepairman pfm Member

    It's a long story but basically if you buy everything from China, then they end up with all the money, which they then use to build weapons to threaten us. They also buy up vast amounts of Africa and Asia to do all the mining and eventually hold the rest of the planet to ransom. If you're happy with that then that's Ok. I'm not.
    sonddek, Darren and TLS like this.
  9. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Aside from the oppressive dictatorship, dreadful labour and environmental conditions, disregard of intellectual property, poor quality of many components, the political game-playing etc etc?!

    PS Sadly we are stuck with computer technology as it simply isn’t made anywhere else, but you can certainly find a kettle, hi-fi, guitars etc made in the UK, EU, USA etc by people paid a decent wage in decent conditions. FWIW my last cheap Asda Chinese kettle randomly failed ‘on’. I was sitting watching the TV, heard a ‘click’ from the kitchen followed by some boiling. On investigation the spring-loaded kettle switch had somehow failed closed and turned itself on. No idea how, but I suspect had I not been in it could have burned the house down. I’ve replaced it with a Dualit that claims to be made in the UK (I also have one of their toasters as it is bullet proof). I’m not on a budget with this stuff, I don’t care if a kettle costs £50 instead of a fiver if it will stay out of landfill and remain safe and functional. China is an amazing place, one I would love to visit one day, but the communist government is what it is and should be treated accordingly.
    Nytechy, pickwickpapers, TLS and 2 others like this.
  10. toprepairman

    toprepairman pfm Member

    Indeed it's a big problem for everyone else.
  11. pickwickpapers

    pickwickpapers ‘It wasn’t the wine, ... It was the salmon.‘

    I think this is an important elaboration and final point.

    too many posts / rants about China demonise the whole place / 'race' in a way which should be all too dismayingly familiar to any reasonable person. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that. Obviously it's 'complicated', but short-hand wholesale condemnation is rarely justified or useful. And glib use of 'school-yard' terms like 'chi-fi' etc are part of that.
    Nytechy and messengerman like this.
  12. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Good piece in the FT looking at why wireless earbuds are virtually impossible to repair or recycle. Horrible things.

    By 2026, a decade after Apple released the first mainstream wireless earbuds, nearly all of these 750 million AirPods, Samsung Galaxy Buds and the rest will, given their lifespan of two to five years, probably be defunct. And the leftover mass of plastic, copper, circuit boards, magnets and batteries will join the planet’s trove of e-waste, which is expanding at a speed recycling can’t keep up with.
    Right now, mass-market electronics don’t get much smaller than earbuds. Unlike plug-in earphones, an earbud’s dependence on a battery gives it a limited life span and requires a complex chemistry of critical raw materials such as lithium and cobalt. The magnets in the charging cases are likely to contain neodymium, another rare earth material. For Michael Rohwer from the US business sustainability network BSR, earbuds represent the most difficult part of the e-waste conundrum. “The number of headphones you’ve been through in your life is probably staggering. Earbuds take that problem to the next level.”
  13. apj

    apj Member

    Personally I would much rather put my gear in the hands of an experienced technician than try to fix something on my own, I understand it may save money but I am personally not prepared to risk losing so much when it comes to my gear.
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    That’s absolutely fine. Right To Repair only ensures a wider range of choices are available to consumers. There are no negatives here and nothing is stopping you choosing original manufacturer or approved third-party repair.

    PS This video from iFixit went up a day or two ago and maybe shines a bit more light on what we are arguing for.

    Durmbo and Nytechy like this.
  15. gustav_errata

    gustav_errata pfm Member

    "Right to Repair" includes "Right to have [it] repaired". That is, you should have the right to repair it yourself if you can, or to take it to any competent technician that you choose. You should not be forced into having the device repaired (or worse, only replaced) at great expense by the manufacturer itself.
    Nytechy and Durmbo like this.
  16. Robert M

    Robert M pfm Member

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