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pray for minneapolis

Discussion in 'off topic' started by hifinutt, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

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  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    LOL, trolls gotta troll eh?
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  3. eevo1969

    eevo1969 pfm Member

    Are you serious?
    You’ve seen the video haven’t you? Did you have a similar opinion in the Rodney King (sorry if the name is incorrect) incident? In the most recent incident you see a man being murdered in front of people pleading with the officer. The officer wasn’t alone, several other officers were there, he wasn’t afraid or worried then.

    You do realise how slanted their penal system is don’t you?

    This isn’t something you need to research, it was a blatant killing, You are a witness. You get to see it yourself, if his knee was there two or three minutes it’d be two or three minutes too long. Period. He was cuffed and no threat to them. It’s all there for you to see, nothing the poor guy did before his life was taken should have a bearing on the case.

    Murder, plain and simple. And we all had front row seats. It wasn’t even a police training restraint ffs.
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  4. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    When is the verdict? It's about 5 or 6 am in Minneapolis now, so I imagine that they have gone to bed and will reconvene in the morning. I imagine if they start again at 9am local time, they may have a verdict by 12, which is early evening UK time.
  5. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    We don't know - they're still deliberating.
  6. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    World is torn between the Minneapolis verdict and today's Apple Keynote.
  7. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    Indeed. Or a police officer killed by being dragged behind a vehicle, for over a mile? That’s murder in my book too, others didn’t think so.
  8. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    I think a possible difference there might have been the strong possibility that the driver was panicking, which makes it difficult to be sure they intended to kill, which means murder would be a tough verdict to return. I'm less sure that an experienced policeman, using techniques they had been trained in, surrounded by colleagues and in no immediate danger, could reasonably be assumed to be experiencing the same degree of panic, but we'll have to wait for the verdict.
  9. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    Yes, certainly a strong case for a murder verdict in that case (though I take SPT's point).

    That's the difference between me and you. I try to be consistent, even when something doesn't fit my preconceptions.
  10. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Right now I doubt that they are, because they are asleep. It's the very early morning there and I doubt they make jurors deliberate all night, that's no way to get a sensible decision out of anyone. They will give them a meal and a hotel bed, and resume when people have slept and will make a reasoned decision rather than "yeah whatever - just let me go to sleep". So I imagine a resumption of proceedings mid afternoon UK time.
  11. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    Nobody needs to hold someone in that position for that length of time to restrain. There is no panic, certainly not for 9 minutes, plus the fact the individual was an alleged professional. The case of PC Harper also involved professionals at work. The intent was to steal or get away, whatever it took. I wish to God they’d just got away with the quad bikes.
  12. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    I couldn’t care less who anyone is. If they commit a crime, they should be punished. 100% consistently.
  13. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Well yes, but you need to think about what the legal definition of 'commit' implies, in the context of the 'crime' under consideration. If somebody does something and somebody else dies, it's not automatically murder. It could be anything from pure, no fault accident to murder, via manslaughter, corporate manslaughter, causing death by dangerous driving, whatever. The context of what happened, and what can be said to have been in the mind of the person doing the something, will be crucial. That's what I mean by the panic point, plus it alluded to something somebody else said, upthread.
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  14. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

  15. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

  16. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    Researching some ancestry stuff recently, I came across a set of reports of deaths/verdicts from the late 18th century in and around Bristol.

    In one case, a man killed a woman when the carriage he was driving whilst drunk knocked her over. Now, you'd think that back then, they'd string you up as soon as look at you, but no; he was imprisoned for six months. In another case, one bloke who had been arguing with another bloke in a pub, followed him out, hit him with a brick and killed him. He was let off with a fine, because both had been drunk, so it wasn't seen to be an unprovoked attack.
  17. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    That's not what he asked, and we all know. We all know 2 similar events, one (covid) situation, one allowed, one not. One rule, all the time? Yeah. Right.
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  18. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Why would you expect it to be peaceful at a mourning for Prince Philip, and not peaceful at a mourning for a woman who had been killed?

    Edit, what Stevec67 said, too.
  19. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    I think we should arrest pretty much everyone who was in Soho at the weekend. Minimal masks, minimal distancing. Clear breaches everywhere.
  20. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    We all know the good folk mourning are not the problem. They weren’t the people throwing bottles etc.

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