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pray for minneapolis

Discussion in 'off topic' started by hifinutt, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. Amber Audio

    Amber Audio This is the Day

    34 States have some form of Stand Your Ground (No duty to retreat) that applies to your home, garden, workplace and some States apply it to pretty much anywhere you are lawfully allowed to be.
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  2. oldius

    oldius Can pleasure be measured?

    Kneeling on someone's neck for more than 9 minutes while they squeal that they cannot breathe would seem to me to be a clear case of wishing to hurt someone. That they then go on to die as a direct result would therefore seem to be murder, or manslaughter at the very least.
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  3. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Good luck with that. A country that responds to a pandemic by panic buying assault rifles.

    Guns are part of the psyche of the US. They're not going away any time soon.
  4. Nic Robinson

    Nic Robinson Moderator

    True. But 9 minutes?
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  5. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    ......................I was not there, unlike several people here. it appears.

    Was he panicked, was he fearful? I don not know. Is he a racist? I do not know. Is he just hugely gung-ho? I do not know. Does he give a sh1t about anyone else in this world? I do not know.

    I do not know and NOTHING anywhere, except being in the actual courtroom, would let me judge all of that.

    I wish that everyone in this world did not jump to wild conclusions based on diddley-squat apart from tabloid headlines and internet babble.
  6. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    We've seen the video mate.

    All nine and a half minutes of it.

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  7. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Have to wait to see what the jury, who saw and heard all the evidence, decide.
  8. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    Indeed, blind panic my arse.
  9. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Someone else that was there, and in the courtroom. Lucky you. I wish that I was, I could then be as 101%, sure-fire, concrete certain as you. Congrat's.
  10. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    I agree in principle but you have to ask yourself if this wasn't murder (or, at the very least, manslaughter) what is?
  11. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    Perhaps Vinny would feel differently had he watched some of the trial on TV. I did, and it was very difficult and emotional. But then, I live in Minneapolis. One of my favorite record stores is just down the street from where Floyd died. I desperately want to see this city calm down, and then make serious changes to how we employ police.

    Recall this is a cop with 22 prior complaints, most for use of excessive force. It is also not the first suspect he tried to choke out. If Chauvin had taken his knee off Floyd’s neck after a minute or two, then I might have been persuaded that manslaughter was the correct charge. 9+ minutes shows intent. This was murder, period.

    I want to have faith that the jury saw the trial as I did, but we all know how unpredictable a verdict can be.
  12. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Agreed. No matter what occurred beforehand that resulted in Floyd being on the floor with a policeman kneeling on his neck the simple fact he wasn’t resisting and was pleading that he couldn’t breathe for so long is all the evidence anyone needs to see. The policeman had a huge amount of time to analyse a changing situation and alter his behaviour, yet he chose to keep his full weight on a dying man’s neck. Thankfully the whole thing was filmed so no one needs to rely on testimonies etc. It was what it was. We saw it. Anything less than a murder verdict would be an utter disgrace.
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  13. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    I saw the video but I do not think it gives me an entitlement jump to any conclusions about criminal responsibility.

    The US has many degrees of murder. The jury will decide which, if any, it is.
  14. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    This forum has a history of delivering the verdict before the trial (and in one case where no trials ever took place) and getting it wrong.
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  15. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    I’m certain he did. He kept the pressure on way beyond the point where George Floyd lost consciousness and only let up when the paramedics arrived. And even then they had to ask him to. He wanted to make sure.

    The other cops on the scene were just letting it happen and are almost as culpable IMO. “Protect and serve”, my arse.

    Oh and I have been following the trial.
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  16. Sloop John B

    Sloop John B pfm Member

    Yeah, like Belfast and Derry, thank god indeed.

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  17. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    I disagree. This policeman has a long history of violence against people he ostensibly serves.
  18. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    You lived through the war as a combatant?
  19. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    When the jury decides.
  20. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    If you don't know, you can learn. This policeman had a long history of complaints - violence toward folk, excessive force.

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