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Post-Trump: III (decline, further tantrums, legal proceedings, book deals etc)

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Yank, May 19, 2021.

  1. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

  2. gordon

    gordon self-righteous, but never right

    I think the future of democracy in the US depends on the outcomes of the Oath Keepers' and Proud Boys' trials. There are too many running around acting as if there are no negative consequences for their actions, e.g the Bundys. And, so far, there haven't been any. I'm hoping convictions will set them straight.
     
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  3. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    Also the DoJ's strategy of building up slowly so that they can secure the most serious charges is looking like a good plan after all. It would have been much easier just to get these people convicted as felons on any old charge and not the the "doing an actual coup " ones.
     
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  4. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    It’s a very good precedent for the upcoming Proud Boys trials where there is much stronger evidence of sedition.
     
  5. Somafunk

    Somafunk pfm Member

  6. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    I hope this precedent carries all the way to the (former) Executive branch.
     
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  7. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    Well, a good fraction of the GOP 'base' is honest business folk for whom you express much sympathy, except the radicalization has infected a great many of course. But there are a few percent who actually were turned-off enough to vote for Biden. A thing that would not have happened in the case of a more leftist Democratic candidate.
     
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  8. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The House Committee now has 6 years of Trump’s tax returns (CNN).
     
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  9. MUTTY1

    MUTTY1 Waste of bandwidth

    Is it possible one of these charismatic psychopaths that seem to rise to the top of the greasy pole finally be nailed? I shall probably die whilst GB is going into a death spiral that befits every empire but Trump on a spike would be some compensation…
     
  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Sounds like Cannon’s whole Special Master chicanery has crashed into a wall. DOJ get what they want (Twitter). \o/
     
  11. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    An amazingly total rebuke of Judge Cannon. They found not only that the Special Master regime was unwarranted, but that Trump's entire lawsuit so lacked foundation that it afforded the court no jurisdiction in the case. They remanded the case back to the trial court "with instructions for the trial court to DISMISS the underlying civil action." They are saying that Cannon should have done nothing in the first place except throw the case out!
     
  12. NeilR

    NeilR pfm Member

    Is Judge Cannon going to be impeached after this? She certainly should be.
     
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  13. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    Indeed she should be, but impeachment of a federal judge faces the same hurdles as impeachment a president. So the thing would fail due to lack of a 2/3 majority in the Senate. Also, strong precedent requires evidence OTHER than the content of rulings to impeach a judge
     
  14. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr neither here nor there

    That's as it should be, of course - it's inconceivable that judges should be cowed by threats of impeachment if their judicial rulings go 'the wrong way' as far as the government is concerned. However, if their judgements go 'the wrong way' because they are already in thrall to somebody else, or some dubious ideology, that's an entirely different matter.
     
  15. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Wonder if there is more than $6 of tax paid.
     
  16. matthewr

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  17. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr neither here nor there

    One thing that strikes me about all of this is that lots of rather useful legal precedents seem to be being created out of all the various challenges that Trump's camp throws out. Rulings about the jurisdiction of courts, about whether presidents can expect special treatment, should disclose tax records, access to siezed materials, and such like. Hopefully these will be useful tools in the armoury of the democratic process, and available in the ongoing fight against fascism.
     
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  18. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    Exactly this. It is all necessary work, but I’m sure the pace is frustrating for many who want to see T***p in jail right now.

    It’s also why establishing a precedent with the Rhodes conviction was so important. Historically, most attempts to prove sedition have failed, but now there’s a clear path to follow for obtaining convictions in the two upcoming sedition trials this month.
     
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  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator



    Interesting take from MSNBC on the current state of far-right extremism/terrorism that is now rooted firmly in the Republican Party.
     
  20. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

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