Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+5)?

[The Far North]

Fox may be all sorts of things, but he is right, or is he wrong?
WTF is he?

The problem is that he would possibly be quite happy with a no-deal Brexit, and he's using the press to prepare us by blaming the EU for his/our incompetence in actually negotiating. Does he actually mention solutions for Ireland, Gibraltar and suchlike?

 

[nicetone]

A contrast to the Fox article.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...theresa-may-stop-brexit-clock-extend-deadline

 

[ff1d1l]

You're dreaming the technicolour remain fantasy. There is no status quo. What was is gone. There is no going back to where we were, because where we were isn't there any more. It is just as impossible to turn the clock back to, 2016 or 2012 as it is to 1957. The EU is hovering on the brink of an existential crisis, of which Brexit is but one facet.



So you are saying that by and large you only see the headstones of those that were male and wealthy. So how many more people died young, probably female, and poor, who don't have headstones?

For all of its many shortcomings, I think that on balance I would sooner be taking my very much enhanced chances in the now than the then, even though I do have a good set of gnashers.

What bollocks. Remain is the status quo. No ambiguity there, unlike the leave ejaculate.

 

[markvdv]

Status quo is no deal Brexit.

 

[Dave H.]

Status quo is no deal Brexit.

Is this a weird way of saying you don’t care for the veteran rock band? Because otherwise it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[slavedata]

Britain's Tea Party sponsored International trade Secretary is chortling that it's all going the way he wants.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...deal-brexit-now-more-likely-than-an-agreement

 

[markvdv]

At the moment UK will have a no deal Brexit, status quo is no deal Brexit. No actions have been taken to prevent the automatic no deal Brexit. Only actions can prevent the no deal Brexit, the default future of UK in Europe/World. Prior to 29 March 2017 the status quo was EU membership.

 

[Still]

What was is gone. There is no going back to where we were, because where we were isn't there any more. It is just as impossible to turn the clock back to, 2016 or 2012 as it is to 1957.

Possibly this is the sort of thing ET is getting at.


"The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want."

Michael Gove April 2016


"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards."

John Redwood July 2016


"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis October 2016

 

[kendo]

Possibly this is the sort of thing ET is getting at.


"The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want."

Michael Gove April 2016


"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards."

John Redwood July 2016


"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis October 2016

A triumverate that couldn't have possibly been more wrong.
This is what happens when people listen to and act on what politicians say when they are talking complete and utter SHITE!

(...but it would seem that many heard just exactly what they wanted to hear, which is where the smelly stuff kicks in...)

 

[SteveS1]

Status quo is no deal Brexit.

To be fair to ET, which is not my natural inclination, by 'no going back' I assume he means the UK privileged opt-outs would be gone, in which case he is probably right that there is no going back to that precise situation.

Remaining in the CU and SM would of course be better than where Fox, IDS, Johnson, Mogg, Redwood and co wish to be.

 

[tuga]

Fox may be all sorts of things, but he is right on EC intransigence.

Cake and eat it?

 

[sean99]

Cake and eat it?

Becomes stale bread and choke on it.

 

[notaclue]

Possibly this is the sort of thing ET is getting at.

"The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want."

Michael Gove April 2016

"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards."

John Redwood July 2016

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis October 2016

And neatly put here is how those same voices are now moving on to the WTO. They got it (very badly) wrong with their predictions of the EU & Brexit. They are the same ones telling us WTO will be fine, some even promising it will be better than now. Anyone trust them?

 

[The Far North]

Jacob thought a second referendum was a reasonable idea at one point. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lain-speeches-second-referendum-a8477686.html

 

[TheDecameron]

Look in old graveyards, plenty of people made into their 70s. The survival of the headstones depends on the wealth of the occupant, so if you were male, had money and survived childhood you had a good chance.

A lot of the average life expectancy numbers were skewed by really high perinatal and childhood mortality.

 

[TheDecameron]

Fox may be all sorts of things, but he is right, or is he wrong?
WTF is he?

...that'll be wrong then.

(Oh, if only we'd had a plan or a smidgeon of foresight or read the fvcking rules for leaving the EU)

You are looking at one of the Chief fraudsters of Tory Brexit. Quieter than Johnson and the others because he’s been busy making side deals with his American GOP backers. He’s now rather clownishly demanding that “the EU negotiates seriously”. He and his gang need to take a hard look in the mirror because they’ve ****ed this country for their own benefit.

 

[eternumviti]

You know "Chequers" doesn't have a majority in UK parliament, so why even mention it ? EU's respons to "Chequers" is totally irrelevant....

Well, yes, absolutely true. Absolute contempt for the Chequers fiasco unites everyone - leavers, remainers and the EC alike. Except for Mrs May, who seems to want to keep digging that hole.

Common theme of yours, it's nothing of the kind of course. To leave an organisation you belong to and benefit from, then blame the organisation for not being what you would prefer it to be, would be almost childishly naive if it didn't have backers more interested in sinister motives. The 'project' is the benefit of the members, it would be a very strange organisation that sopped to outsiders ahead of it's members.

The tantrums of the UK over the years have probably worn thin any sympathy we might have had in a quest for change. Our response has never been to forge alliances, persuade and co-operate with other members. The UK has always petulantly demanded special treatment - which worked up to a point, but now that bluff is being called, your response is to blame them because it suits your agenda.

It is at least funny to hear someone as intransigent as you calling out others on it. Those losing jobs and experiencing reduced public services will crack a rib at that too no doubt.

EC intransigence may well be a common theme of mine, but it makes it no less real. Apart from its questionable legality within Lisbon, a point raised today in the press (Article 8 of the Lisbon Treaty states that the EU must “develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation”), allowing the UK to crash out will clobber your precious jobs and public services right across the EU, most particularly in Ireland (a predicted hit of up to 4% in GDP), Germany, France and Spain.

What bollocks. Remain is the status quo. No ambiguity there, unlike the leave ejaculate.

You ok there ffd? The tape is on a loop, and the hard drive seems to be failing. If you must persist on the status quo twaddle, bear in mind that these old islands have only spent the last 40 years of their rather longer history in the EEC/EU.

Possibly this is the sort of thing ET is getting at etc...

No, it isn't.

 

[ff1d1l]

If you must persist on the status quo twaddle,

Thanks ET, I'm a-persistin'.

 

[TheDecameron]

Well, yes, absolutely true. Absolute contempt for the Chequers fiasco unites everyone - leavers, remainers and the EC alike. Except for Mrs May, who seems to want to keep digging that hole.



EC intransigence may well be a common theme of mine, but it makes it no less real. Apart from its questionable legality within Lisbon, a point raised today in the press (Article 8 of the Lisbon Treaty states that the EU must “develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation”), allowing the UK to crash out will clobber your precious jobs and public services right across the EU, most particularly in Ireland (a predicted hit of up to 4% in GDP), Germany, France and Spain.



You ok there ffd? The tape is on a loop, and the hard drive seems to be failing. If you must persist on the status quo twaddle, bear in mind that these old islands have only spent the last 40 years of their rather longer history in the EEC/EU.



No, it isn't.

Patience, your about to get your Brexit in a few months. It could be a wonderful surprise.

 

[Vinniemac]

Telegraph talking bollocks again, according to law professor: “A short thread I did last night on the argument that a 'no deal' Brexit would break EU law, as per the @Telegraph front page today. This argument is almost completely without basis, and should not be a front page story about #Brexit.” https://mobile.twitter.com/Cardwell_PJ/status/1026348862057971712